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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2005, 07:41:35 AM »
Hey Trauma, I bet you think Hulk Hogan was a better in-ring worker than Ric Flair back in the 80s. LOL. And Billy Jean is a better piece of music than Mozart's Symphony no. 41 in C major.


You're so out of your league when you talk to me about these things, it's not even funny.  I guess you think someone like me doesn't know the difference between a Ric Flair match and a Hulk Hogan match, but I've watched both, hundreds of times, and of course I'm intelligent enough to know that Flair was a much better wrestler.

You must think you're more in tune because you've actually heard a few Mozart works in your life, but motherfucker I'm a musician myself, and of course I realize that Mozart's music was much more complicated and a better piece of work than anything Michael Jackson did. 

Did you think you'd blow me away with some bullshit like that?


Now here's what you don't know.  Those weren't soft punches George Forman got hit with in that fight.  If you'd actually watch the fight, dumbass, you'd know it couldn't possibly have been thrown, because Ali didn't lay on the ropes the entire time, he was consistantly hitting Foreman with everything he had, the entire fucking night.  You'd know that Foreman hit Ali a few times pretty good too, and you'd know that Foreman would become enraged when Ali would go to the ropes, and was swinging like a madman.  You'd see the clouded eyes of Foreman as he eventually got so tired he couldn't hardly raise his gloves, and you would have seen the beautiful 3 punch combo Ali laid Foreman out with.  If you think after watching that fight that it was a work, you're a fucking drunk.

Second, Joe Frazier fought Muhammad Ali 3 fucking times, not 2, and all 3 were great fights.  You dont' throw a fight in the fucking 15th round and lose it by decision. 

You must be fucking retarded to think that Muhammad Ali wasn't a bad motherfucker.  Your comment about "wasn't considered a great hitter" shows you know absolutely nothing about the subject.  He WAS considered a heavy hitter, that's the hole in your equation.  Muhammad Ali would knock a bitch like you out with 1 jab. 

The Flair and Mozart stuff were obvious jokes. Anyone that thinks Hogan was better than Flair in the ring or MJ was better than Mozart is an obvious fool. As opposed to the not so obvious fool that thinks Ali was by far the greatest of all time.

When I said Ali wasn't a big puncher, I meant it wasn't his strong point. Kind like how Holyfield is not known for his punches, but he could still easily KO me. When I think of punchers I think Mike Tyson, or George Foreman, who are known for their raw power. The point was that in the mid to late 90s an old Foreman faced off with young guys who could punch harder than Ali could and Foreman never dropped. The only real drop I ever saw Foreman take was against Lyle in '76 and Foreman got right back up and KOed Lyle.

As for the Ali fight, watch every other Foreman fight before it and see how different he comes to Ali. The Foreman I knew came in right off the bat and started clubbing. The Foreman I saw with Ali had Ali in the corner and hit him in the face with no power behind the punches. Put a little dope in his water and that's what can happen. Like I said before, where was the rematch. When Ali won it was a clear upset ahown by the odds going in, yet Ali never gave Foreman a rematch. Like you said Ali got two rematches with Frazier (the New Yoirk fight gets lost in the middle), but Forem,an got no rematches. You know why? Because there was no way Ali would win again. Why do I think Foreman had to lose? Because if he beat Ali that night like he beat Frazier thenall the money to be made in boxing for the next few years would be gone. THere was no one left for Foreman to beat and his quick matches were getting tedious. Don't you understand that Boxing and Pro Wrestling aren't that different. All of Ali's fights weren't legit, just like all of Marciano's fights weren't legit. Over the the years trainers, cutmen, and boxers themselves have come out and talked about how dirty the business is, and how money talks. I suggest you watch Humphrey Bogart's last moie before he died "The Harder They Fall". It may be just a movie but it's very accurate in how boxing really works. That's why I like pro wrestling better. At least they tell us it's bullshit.
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2005, 08:54:47 AM »
Ali was fast too, he could throw 6 or 7 puches in a matter of seconds...

his footwork was exquisite, no-one to this day will compare to ali's footwork...

plus ali said in the upcoming interviews he would dance all over foreman, foreman was expecting ali to dance, and try to out-punch foreman, thats why maybe he didnt go into the fight how he normally would...


p.S: fuck a conspiracy theory, a spade is a spade.
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2005, 09:02:07 AM »


p.S: fuck a conspiracy theory, a spade is a spade.


Exactly! And Bush only wanted to free Iraq out of the goodness of his heart and the safety of Americans from the WMDs. It had nothing to do with oil.
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2005, 09:32:45 AM »
but the thing is the truth always comes out in the end... how could all the professional boxers, presentators, sports related people all be fooled that ali is the greatest ? he has 4 dvd's out, including a movie dedicated to him... Ali is the greatest.
 

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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2005, 09:34:36 AM »
i bet youre one of the people that think ice cube was a more talented rapper than pac...
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2005, 09:48:47 AM »
but the thing is the truth always comes out in the end... how could all the professional boxers, presentators, sports related people all be fooled that ali is the greatest ? he has 4 dvd's out, including a movie dedicated to him... Ali is the greatest.



Talk to pro boxing analysts, and boxers, and ask them if Ali is the undisputed best ever. Sure if you ask Will Smith, or some of those tools on ESPN and HBO sports you'll only here Ali. Was he great? yes, will some say he's the best? Sure. But most will not. Guys like Lewis and Marciano will be said a lot too. Robinson will always be known as hte best pounf for pund guy, but if you ask the current crop of dodos they'll still try and convince you it's Roy Jones. Tiger Woods is agreat golfer. If you ask the hosts of 106 and Park on BET they'll tell you he's the best ever. If youy ask real Golf journalists you'll hear a lot of Sman Snead, Jack Nicklaus, and Arnold Palmer.


i bet youre one of the people that think ice cube was a more talented rapper than pac...

Actually I'm a Pac fan, but I'd have no problem with someone say Cube is better. Cube had some real gold with Ameikkkas Most and DC. Theext couple like Lethal Injection and Predator were good too. Pac had a couple mediocre albums to start then had a decent one in Thuglife and really broke out with Me Against the World. AEOM was great and so was Makaveli, but that's it. Like I said, I like Pac better, but it can be argued.

A better analogy would be calling Run DMC the first to bring out rap/rock when all they did was a crappier version of the same Aerosmith song. (same lyrics with a worse flow).

Calling Ali the best ever with out mentioning Joe Louis, is like calling Biggie the best ever (a title he gets by a lot of people) and forgetting about Rakim.
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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2005, 11:32:43 AM »
Shallow is an arrogant motherfucker in the subtle kind of way, but have to say homie knows what he talks about more often than the average homie
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2005, 12:06:33 PM »
Oh, and for the record, I think the crowd was booing him for both reasons... 1. that he was a cocky black kid, unknown, who they viewed as a fluke, and who they thought was a loudmouth, and 2. that he had the audacity to change his name from Cassius to Muhammad.  I will say on the part of the ring announcers, and the people giving the interview, they treated him with respect.  The ring announcer referred to him as Muhammad Ali both times, and the interviewers fucked up three times, and called him Cassius, and everytime they apologized and recalled him Muhammad without a negative remark.  Also, there was a famous interview with Howard Cossell where he refused to call him anything but Cassius, and Muhammad told him it was disrespectful, and Cossell apologized, and said he was right, and that he'd never call him that again, and that was that. 

BTW, Ali is easily the greatest heavyweight to ever fight, there's no denying it by anyone with half a fucking mind or eyes that they can open without their own prejudices coming into play.  I'd be the first one to give somebody credit over Ali, but the fact is there simply is no one in his league.  You always hear the Joe Lous and Rocky Marciano (undefeated) bullshit, but come on, you've got to be joking.  Ali's defeat of George Forman, and his legendary fights with Joe Frazier should be enough to convince anybody that he was literally a god in the ring. 

they booed him the first time when he was just a regular cocky black guy... you think all of a sudden they were gonna cheer for him the second time around? he could have changed his name to Brian Hirshel and been an agnostic jew and he would ahve still been booed because it was the 60's ad a cocky black guy came from no where to know out the champ and the proceded to claim he was the greatest
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2005, 12:35:02 PM »
Shallow is an arrogant motherfucker in the subtle kind of way, but have to say homie knows what he talks about more often than the average homie


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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2005, 01:16:23 PM »


Actually I'm a Pac fan, but I'd have no problem with someone say Cube is better. Cube had some real gold with Ameikkkas Most and DC. Theext couple like Lethal Injection and Predator were good too. Pac had a couple mediocre albums to start then had a decent one in Thuglife and really broke out with Me Against the World. AEOM was great and so was Makaveli, but that's it. Like I said, I like Pac better, but it can be argued.

A better analogy would be calling Run DMC the first to bring out rap/rock when all they did was a crappier version of the same Aerosmith song. (same lyrics with a worse flow).

Calling Ali the best ever with out mentioning Joe Louis, is like calling Biggie the best ever (a title he gets by a lot of people) and forgetting about Rakim.

Not only is Pac the greatest rapper ever, but you could take one of his posthumous releases like "R U Still Down" for example, and put it against all of Ice Cubes records combined, and Pac would still come out on top.  And that was an album that never would have seen the light of day had it not been for Pac's death.
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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2005, 02:12:52 PM »


Actually I'm a Pac fan, but I'd have no problem with someone say Cube is better. Cube had some real gold with Ameikkkas Most and DC. Theext couple like Lethal Injection and Predator were good too. Pac had a couple mediocre albums to start then had a decent one in Thuglife and really broke out with Me Against the World. AEOM was great and so was Makaveli, but that's it. Like I said, I like Pac better, but it can be argued.

A better analogy would be calling Run DMC the first to bring out rap/rock when all they did was a crappier version of the same Aerosmith song. (same lyrics with a worse flow).

Calling Ali the best ever with out mentioning Joe Louis, is like calling Biggie the best ever (a title he gets by a lot of people) and forgetting about Rakim.

Not only is Pac the greatest rapper ever, but you could take one of his posthumous releases like "R U Still Down" for example, and put it against all of Ice Cubes records combined, and Pac would still come out on top.  And that was an album that never would have seen the light of day had it not been for Pac's death.

you're a nut job





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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2005, 02:37:34 PM »


Actually I'm a Pac fan, but I'd have no problem with someone say Cube is better. Cube had some real gold with Ameikkkas Most and DC. Theext couple like Lethal Injection and Predator were good too. Pac had a couple mediocre albums to start then had a decent one in Thuglife and really broke out with Me Against the World. AEOM was great and so was Makaveli, but that's it. Like I said, I like Pac better, but it can be argued.

A better analogy would be calling Run DMC the first to bring out rap/rock when all they did was a crappier version of the same Aerosmith song. (same lyrics with a worse flow).

Calling Ali the best ever with out mentioning Joe Louis, is like calling Biggie the best ever (a title he gets by a lot of people) and forgetting about Rakim.

Not only is Pac the greatest rapper ever, but you could take one of his posthumous releases like "R U Still Down" for example, and put it against all of Ice Cubes records combined, and Pac would still come out on top.  And that was an album that never would have seen the light of day had it not been for Pac's death.

you're a nut job

LOL I was just about to type the same thing after reading that nonsense.
 

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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2005, 04:26:35 PM »
Listen to how Infinite feels about Pac!

http://www.wcmixtapes.com/lmao.mp3

Seriously though, 95% of the trash that comes out of your mouth is bat shit crazy. Get on some medication.
 

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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2005, 08:15:53 PM »
Shallow is an arrogant motherfucker in the subtle kind of way, but have to say homie knows what he talks about more often than the average homie


I try not to be arrogant but I was when responding to Captain. Captain, I apologize. My arrogance towards you was unwarranted. You respectfully disagreed with my opinion and I jumped all over you. It won't happen again, (unless you start it). Once again, I'm sorry.

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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2005, 08:24:31 PM »
Listen to how Infinite feels about Pac!

http://www.wcmixtapes.com/lmao.mp3

Seriously though, 95% of the trash that comes out of your mouth is bat shit crazy. Get on some medication.

WTF ?? !! who did that shit ? man thats the wakest shit i've ever heard...
 

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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2005, 08:31:47 PM »
WTF ?? !! who did that shit ? man thats the wakest shit i've ever heard...
That is Inifinite aka Allah's slave aka dipshit rapping. Whenver you see his ignorant ass post, just think of that song and laugh.
 

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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2005, 08:35:38 PM »
WTF ?? !! who did that shit ? man thats the wakest shit i've ever heard...
That is Inifinite aka Allah's slave aka dipshit rapping. Whenver you see his ignorant ass post, just think of that song and laugh.

wtf ? i thought you were joking its infinite... how could he post that shit up ? man theres no flow nothing, it doesnt even rhyme...


the prophet ? the god ? wtf ? hard as rock ? infinite, sorry man thats some wak shit...
 

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« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2005, 09:08:49 PM »
but the thing is the truth always comes out in the end... how could all the professional boxers, presentators, sports related people all be fooled that ali is the greatest ? he has 4 dvd's out, including a movie dedicated to him... Ali is the greatest.

All you have to do is watch the fights.  I watched the thrilla in manilla tonight.  For a dumbass to say that Joe Frazier threw that fight, you'd have to be smoking crack.  Ali was so fucking fast, in the LATE prime of his career, that he'd hit Frazier in the face 3 times before the guy could get his gloves up in the last few rounds.  The guy had blood pouring out of his face, but he threw the fight, right?  The guy got beat up for 14 rounds, but yet he threw the fight, right?  The guy beat Ali in the first fight, but then threw the next two?  Or maybe he just threw one? If he only threw one, and Ali beat him fair in the other, doesn't that mean Ali was still the better fighter?  It's just mindless, ludicrious dribble from some dumbass who thinks it's cool to go against the commonly accepted truth: Ali is GOD.  Ali hit Joe Frazier with a combo so vicious in the 14th round, I could not believe Frazier was still standing.  About halfway through the round, they're showing half of the ring or so, and Ali's standing on the left, facing the camera and Joe.  He takes 3 steps to his left, hits Frazier with a left jab almost backhanded like a pimp slap, and then throws this thunderous right cross all the way from behind his fucking head and just NAILS Joe with it, the whole match Frazier's head was bouncing around like a fucking kickball but yet he threw the match.  Simply, utterly rediculous. 
 

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« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2005, 09:16:33 PM »
but the thing is the truth always comes out in the end... how could all the professional boxers, presentators, sports related people all be fooled that ali is the greatest ? he has 4 dvd's out, including a movie dedicated to him... Ali is the greatest.

All you have to do is watch the fights.  I watched the thrilla in manilla tonight.  For a dumbass to say that Joe Frazier threw that fight, you'd have to be smoking crack.  Ali was so fucking fast, in the LATE prime of his career, that he'd hit Frazier in the face 3 times before the guy could get his gloves up in the last few rounds.  The guy had blood pouring out of his face, but he threw the fight, right?  The guy got beat up for 14 rounds, but yet he threw the fight, right?  The guy beat Ali in the first fight, but then threw the next two?  Or maybe he just threw one? If he only threw one, and Ali beat him fair in the other, doesn't that mean Ali was still the better fighter?  It's just mindless, ludicrious dribble from some dumbass who thinks it's cool to go against the commonly accepted truth: Ali is GOD.  Ali hit Joe Frazier with a combo so vicious in the 14th round, I could not believe Frazier was still standing.  About halfway through the round, they're showing half of the ring or so, and Ali's standing on the left, facing the camera and Joe.  He takes 3 steps to his left, hits Frazier with a left jab almost backhanded like a pimp slap, and then throws this thunderous right cross all the way from behind his fucking head and just NAILS Joe with it, the whole match Frazier's head was bouncing around like a fucking kickball but yet he threw the match.  Simply, utterly rediculous. 

i havent seen the ali fights in a long time, now this topics been brought out i will check em out again... it wont be easy to convince me ali isnt the greatest, but shallow usually does have valid points, although i definelty disagree with him on this one...

Shallow did you know that ali was the first boxer to get the world title in like 2 years of boxing ? he was the fastest boxer, with best footwork, that set himself a goal and achieved it faster than anyone in history... him having such confidence and charisma is just a cherry on the cake...
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2005, 09:35:41 PM »
but shallow usually does have valid points,

BWAAAHHHH AHAHHH HHAHAHA HHAHAHAA

When you talk about Ali, all you have to say is this:

When he was a nobody, and fought the Heavyweight Champion of the World, he knocked him out in the 7th round and told everybody he was the greatest, then went about proving it for the rest of his career.

Shallow does not have valid points.  Above he said Ali developed diseases from the beatings he took in the ring.  Then he said Ali's fights were thrown.  So they were thrown, but yet he got beat so bad in fixed matches that he developed Parkinsons, a disease that you cannot develop by getting beat up.  He doesn't have good points, he's a childish fool who disagrees with commonly held beliefs because he thinks it makes him more intelligent to challenge even the most undeniable truths.
 

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« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2005, 10:00:39 PM »
but shallow usually does have valid points,

BWAAAHHHH AHAHHH HHAHAHA HHAHAHAA

When you talk about Ali, all you have to say is this:

When he was a nobody, and fought the Heavyweight Champion of the World, he knocked him out in the 7th round and told everybody he was the greatest, then went about proving it for the rest of his career.

Shallow does not have valid points.  Above he said Ali developed diseases from the beatings he took in the ring.  Then he said Ali's fights were thrown.  So they were thrown, but yet he got beat so bad in fixed matches that he developed Parkinsons, a disease that you cannot develop by getting beat up.  He doesn't have good points, he's a childish fool who disagrees with commonly held beliefs because he thinks it makes him more intelligent to challenge even the most undeniable truths.

yeh i said he usually has valid points, but not in this topic, about religion n shit... thats the only reason i even considered his argument, doesnt mean i believe it...
 

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« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2005, 11:11:48 PM »
all that boxing cant be good for u, and how the fuck do u know his disease didnt have anything to do with him fighting for a living.
 

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« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2005, 07:51:42 AM »
all that boxing cant be good for u, and how the fuck do u know his disease didnt have anything to do with him fighting for a living.

You don't develop parkinson's from being beaten.  Ali never even got beat very much, find a picture of him with a scar on his face.  1 pic. 

On top of that, the dipshit was saying all Ali's fights were fixed.  If they were fixed, how would he get beaten into a disease? 

It's a childish comment by a child. 
 

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« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2005, 08:52:20 AM »
all that boxing cant be good for u, and how the fuck do u know his disease didnt have anything to do with him fighting for a living.

You don't develop parkinson's from being beaten.  Ali never even got beat very much, find a picture of him with a scar on his face.  1 pic. 

On top of that, the dipshit was saying all Ali's fights were fixed.  If they were fixed, how would he get beaten into a disease? 

It's a childish comment by a child. 

When did I say every fight was fixed?


I admitted Ali was great, and easily one of the greats, but he was also protected, like all drawing champions are. Watch the Manila you so nicely summarized, and watch Ali at the end of the 14th round fall in to the corner and struggle to get up to have his hand raised. I'm not saying Frazier threw the fight. I'm saying it was fixed not to go 15. Not by Frazier, but by the commission. No matter who is champ, boxing is dirty. When Marciano was champ he had the commission on his side. Just like when Tyson was champ.

Ali's liberties were very apparent. He never lost points for continously head locking guys after being warned, and he wore a stomach gaurd in his fight with Chuvalo, a fucking stomach gaurd, and still he was in the hospital that night spitting up blood while Chuvallo was out dancing with his wife.
 

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« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2005, 09:36:36 AM »
all that boxing cant be good for u, and how the fuck do u know his disease didnt have anything to do with him fighting for a living.

You don't develop parkinson's from being beaten.  Ali never even got beat very much, find a picture of him with a scar on his face.  1 pic. 

On top of that, the dipshit was saying all Ali's fights were fixed.  If they were fixed, how would he get beaten into a disease? 

It's a childish comment by a child. 

When did I say every fight was fixed?


I admitted Ali was great, and easily one of the greats, but he was also protected, like all drawing champions are. Watch the Manila you so nicely summarized, and watch Ali at the end of the 14th round fall in to the corner and struggle to get up to have his hand raised. I'm not saying Frazier threw the fight. I'm saying it was fixed not to go 15. Not by Frazier, but by the commission. No matter who is champ, boxing is dirty. When Marciano was champ he had the commission on his side. Just like when Tyson was champ.

Ali's liberties were very apparent. He never lost points for continously head locking guys after being warned, and he wore a stomach gaurd in his fight with Chuvalo, a fucking stomach gaurd, and still he was in the hospital that night spitting up blood while Chuvallo was out dancing with his wife.


i think boxing has changed alot since ali's day... now its alot more commercial, i also find it hard to believe that Ali would allow a fight to be fixed...

plus, i cant believe you prefer wrestling to boxing  :grumpy: