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US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« on: July 28, 2005, 06:51:46 AM »
US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General

By Wang Zheng
The Epoch Times
(http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-7-25/30545.html)

The US House of Representatives has called for the sacking of the
Chinese Communist Party?s Major-General Zhu Chenghu after his recent
statement that China would attack over one hundred American cities
with nuclear weapons if the United States interferes in a war
between Communist China and Taiwan. (Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images)
The US House of Representatives has called for the sacking of the Chinese
Communist Party?s Major-General Zhu Chenghu after his recent statement
that China would attack over one hundred American cities with nuclear
weapons if the United States interferes in a war between Communist China
and Taiwan.
General Zhu was speaking at a function for foreign journalists organized
by the Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry on July 14. During the function
Zhu said: ?We...will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the
[Chinese] cities east of Xian. Of course, the Americans will also have to
expect that hundreds...of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.? Zhu
has previously said that China has the capability to attack the USA with
long range missiles. The general is a professor and dean in China?s No. 1
National Defense University Strategic Defense Institute which is under the
direct leadership of the CCP?s Central Military Committee.
Britain?s London Telegraph published an editorial titled, ?The Bullies in
Beijing,? in which the editors said that Zhu?s speech is similar to one
made by Mao Zedong in 1957. Mao said that nuclear war would both raze
?imperialism? to the ground and kill half the world?s people. Although
General Zhu is not currently a member of Mainland?s China?s policy
establishment, his speech was given during the critical period of US-China
trade discussions and the Kuomintang?s presidential election in Taiwan.
Purposely Arranged by Beijing
The Chinese Communist Party did not reject Zhu?s speech and a spokesperson
from the Foreign Affairs Ministry said Zhu?s speech was his own personal
opinion. This spokesperson declined to comment on whether or not the
speech represented the government?s view.
Although General Zhu emphasized that what he said was his own opinion, a
Pentagon official, speaking to a reporter at the Washington Times, said
that Chinese generals normally express only official positions and that
Zhu?s comments represent the views of senior Chinese military officers.
?These comments are a signal to all of Asia that China does not fear US
forces,? this official said. He added that a disclosure such as this of
elements in a Chinese war plan may have either been inadvertent, or
cleared in advance by senior political leaders.
Professor Tang Ben of the Claremont Institute?s Asian Studies Center
published an article in Singapore?s Lianhe Zaobao on July 20, in which he
asserted that what General Zhu alluded to was actually Beijing?s strategy
to deal with current world circumstances, even though Beijing labeled his
remarks as ?personal opinion.? Professor Tang wrote that people aware of
the CCP?s diplomatic history would know that Zhu?s speech was purposely
arranged by Beijing and not written by himself.
Tang says that China has always used diplomats to discuss major issues, to
prevent its military from commenting on sensitive foreign affairs topics.
So in this instance, according to Professor Tang, CCP leaders in
Zhongnanhai (the Chinese Kremlin) used a medium ranking official to state
what they themselves could not say publicly.
Andrew Yang, Secretary General of the Taiwan Council of Advanced Policy
Studies (CAPS), said that Zhu?s speech is specifically directed at both
the United States and Japan, because they announced for the first time
that Taiwan?s security is of concern to both countries. Beijing?s
communist government is watching how they respond in order to learn what
policy will be adopted towards China. Mr. Yang also said that Zhu?s speech
means the decision-makers in Beijing have already had discussions
regarding changes in China?s ?no nuclear first strike policy.?
Speech Represents Views of Some of the Military
The editor of Taiwan?s Top Technology military magazine, Mr. Xie
Zhongping, is not surprised that Zhu?s speech represents the views of some
inside the Chinese military. Mr. Xie said that the part of the speech
referring to the destruction of hundreds of American cities is the basic
estimate of the situation by part of the Chinese military, even the
government. His explanation is that the CCP?s government could tolerate
more civilian and military casualties than could the US government or
people.
In an interview with Austria?s Die Presse, political science professor
Ming Chu-cheng of Taiwan University said he also believes that General
Zhu?s speech represents the view of part of the Chinese military.
Professor Ming believes that Beijing uses fanatical nationalism to
manipulate China?s internal affairs, to divert attention from the
increasing poverty in the countryside and people?s lack of confidence. All
the saber-rattling over Taiwan serves to warn and quell any rebellion
inside China.
US Congress Asks China to Sack its General
US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack called Zhu?s remarks ?highly
irresponsible? and told reporters that they hoped these were not the views
of the Chinese government.
On July 20, the US House of Representatives passed an amendment drafted by
Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO) that ?expresses the sense of Congress that
recent comments made by Chinese Major General Zhu Chenghu which openly
advocate the use of nuclear weapons against the United States damage
US-China relations and violate China?s commitment to resolve its
differences with Taiwan peacefully. It further expresses that the
government of the People?s Republic of China should renounce the use of
force against Taiwan, reject General Zhu?s statements and remove Zhu from
his position.?
Also on July 20, in an amendment to the Appropriation Bill for the
Department of State, the House urged the State Department to allow senior
Taiwanese officials to visit the United States and communicate with their
US counterparts. The House amendment specifically named Taiwan?s
President, Vice-President, and the ministers of foreign affairs and
defense as examples, and said it is in the interests of the United States
for them to visit.
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2005, 07:00:15 AM »
Is this america sticking its nose in again?
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2005, 09:04:04 AM »
Is this america sticking its nose in again?

i don't know, when a general say speicifically that they will bomb 100 cities in your country, i don't know how you can say that it's not your business anymore
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2005, 10:55:06 AM »
He was refering to how china would retaliate should america attack the main land fool, if you don't stick your nose in then you won't get a bloody one!

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2005, 11:20:27 AM »
He was refering to how china would retaliate should america attack the main land fool, if you don't stick your nose in then you won't get a bloody one!

it was the defense of taiwan not an invasion moron, brush up on your reading... and that still doesn't excuse the talk of killing millions of people

that would be like america saying it's going to nuke the whole middle east after the 9/11 attacks, it's bad PR
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2005, 04:04:49 PM »
hmm so what were iraq and afganistan about?

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We...will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the
[Chinese] cities east of Xian. Of course, the Americans will also have to
expect that hundreds...of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.
all he is saying they have the capability of bringing war to america, a new concept i know because america is only used to exporting it else where.....

in any case taiwan is still chinese territory not american so why are you so concerned? america is only interested in bringing instability because if taiwan gets inderpence it will be much harder to supress the other nationalists uprisings and could send their country into turmoil.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2005, 06:00:05 PM »
this shit is gonna be crazy. I guess i don't TRULY care about Taiwan's independece, but c'mon, they had it coming a long time ago. Whats a tiny ass island gonna do against a world power? Especially if it's not Israel
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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2005, 11:18:42 PM »
all the morally superior america skeptics are gonna smirk at this but the fact is some asshole took it to a new level by introducing the possibility of nuking us. This dude needs to get slapped like the bitch he is for talking reckless shit like that.
 

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2005, 11:21:41 PM »
Whats a tiny ass island gonna do against a world power? Especially if it's not Israel

Afghanistan fucked the Soviets up
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2005, 03:14:37 AM »
Whats a tiny ass island gonna do against a world power? Especially if it's not Israel

Afghanistan fucked the Soviets up
with tremendous backing by the United States
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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2005, 06:23:38 AM »
Whats a tiny ass island gonna do against a world power? Especially if it's not Israel

Afghanistan fucked the Soviets up
with tremendous backing by the United States
it wasn't that tremendous we gave them a load of regect weaponary which we couldn't use and neither could they particularly, although to be far you guys did put alot of money into it, but neither the extremists or america can claim victory over the soviets because that would be innaccurate.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2005, 08:01:03 AM »
Whats a tiny ass island gonna do against a world power? Especially if it's not Israel

Afghanistan fucked the Soviets up
with tremendous backing by the United States
it wasn't that tremendous we gave them a load of regect weaponary which we couldn't use and neither could they particularly, although to be far you guys did put alot of money into it, but neither the extremists or america can claim victory over the soviets because that would be innaccurate.

The CIA invested US$2.1 billion over a 10-year period to assist the anti-Soviet resistance.


Soviet tactics utilized the following military and economic efforts.

    * The deployment of the 40th Soviet Army (over 100,000 ground troops). With air support, logistics, MVD troops, and other miscellaneous troops, the total number is estimated by some observers at approximately 175,000 troops total. This represented almost 20% of the category 1 (front-line) divisions possessed by the Soviet Union at the time.
    * More than 5 million anti-personnel mines were dropped by the Soviet Union ([1]).
    * Russian costs (in 1986 dollars) were approximately US$20 Billion / yr.

These tactics, among other things, resulted in some of the following:

    * Approximately 90,000 Afghan combatants killed (mujahadeen and government), and 90,000 wounded. Including civilian casualities, estimates are that 10% of the total population and 13.5% of the male population was killed, 1.5 million killed overall.
    * Approximately 15,000 Soviets were killed and over 53,000 wounded.
    * Approximately 6 million refugees were driven into surrounding countries.
    * Damages of approximately $50 Billion US to Afghanistan, about 1/3 to 1/2 the net worth of the country.
    * Agricultural production reduced by 50%, livestock losses of 50%.
    * 70% of paved roads destroyed.
    * Of 15,000 villages in the country, 5,000 were destroyed outright or made economically unsupportable by destruction of all economic resources such as fields, wells or roads.



War tactics and history

Afghans used the heliograph as a secure low-tech communication method. Afghans also used Stinger missiles in order to take down helicopters, which proved effective. The first one was shot down in this way on December 16, 1982.

Afghanistan's rocky terrain proved to be a great advantage for Afghanis to hit supply lines on route to Afghanistan.

Accounts of Soviet soldiers burying village women and children alive were made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Invasion_of_Afghanistan
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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2005, 11:11:28 AM »
thanks for proving my point 2.1 billion over 10 years is fuck all

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2005, 01:13:39 PM »
The U.S. knew that the Soviets couldn't afford their version of a "Vietnam", and they knew Afghans would be the ones able to deliver that damage. The war with Afghanistan was one of the main reasons why the Soviet empire collapsed right after.

Yeah obviously the only damage would be to Afghanistan... and there would be more casualties in Afghanistan because the war was fought on Afghan soil. By the way, a lot of the weapons were delivered through Pakistan, and what they did is keep a lot of that shit to themselves and gave Afghans their cheap shit. Afghans also didn't have tanks or aircraft... not even body armor or bullshit like that. They would be wearing their regular (or not so regular lol) clothes and just run up on those fuckers with some AK's.
 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2005, 02:30:30 PM »
yeah what afghanistan freedom fighters did to the russians cannot be downplayed by numbers, they were people that were barely armed that prevented one of the worlds greatest armies of that time from accomplishing their goals

this is like having a PAL football league stop the Patriots from scoring

 

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Re: US Congress Calls for Sacking of Chinese General Zhu
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2005, 11:43:14 PM »
Well see...It's more likely the war will held in this country..
hmmm..if they launch their attacks...would that mean us army is going to be needing more guys..like voluntary thing? or draft?/
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