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Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« on: July 29, 2005, 02:45:09 AM »
(July 28) - Following deadly bombings in Britain and other nations, American Muslim scholars issued an edict Thursday condemning religious extremism and calling terrorists "criminals, not 'martyrs.'"

The 18-member Fiqh Council of North America said Muslims were barred from helping "any individual or group that is involved in any act of terrorism or violence."

"There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism," the scholars wrote in the edict, called a fatwa. "Targeting civilians' life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram — or forbidden."

Many Muslim leaders overseas have made similar statements in recent weeks, but some have left an opening for violence to be used in certain situations. One group of British Muslim leaders who denounced the July 7 attacks in London said suicide bombings could still be justified against an occupying power — drawing criticism that it invited violence in Iraq, where civilians along with coalition troops have been killed.

However, the U.S. scholars said in a Washington news conference that their prohibition applied to attacks on civilians everywhere. Their fatwa states that Muslims are obligated to help law enforcement authorities "protect the lives of all civilians."

"Suicide bombing is forbidden in Islam," said Muzammil H. Siddiqi, head of the Fiqh Council. "This is not the solution, it is not the right way of doing things. Occupation is wrong, of course, but at the same time this is not the way."

Islam has no central authority and the council serves an advisory role for American Muslims, who could number as high as 6 million. But some question whether the panel's statements would sway extremists.

While the Muslim world does not look to America as a center of Islamic thinking, U.S. Muslims wanted to send a message about their faith. Muslim leaders lament that their repeated condemnations of terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks have been ignored by critics.

   
 "[Terrorism] is not the solution, it is not the right way of doing things."
-Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, head of the Fiqh Council   
   
The Muslim Public Affairs Council, an advocacy group based in Los Angeles, started the "National Anti-Terrorism Campaign," urging Muslims to monitor their own communities, speak out more boldly against violence and work with law enforcement officials.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations is running a TV ad and a petition-drive called "Not in the Name of Islam," which repudiates terrorism. In New York and other cities, mosque leaders have joined advisory committees created by the FBI to build relations between law enforcement and their local communities.

"We have been speaking repeatedly, clearly, unequivocally for years, even before 9/11," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil rights organization based in Washington. "But apparently some people have just started to hear us."

Alan Wisdom, head of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, a conservative Christian group in Washington, praised the scholars for issuing the edict. He said he hoped Muslim leaders would follow up the statement with action, by helping combat "specific movements that employ terrorism as a basic tactic" in Israel and elsewhere, and by lobbying for religious freedom in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.

"We look forward to working with Muslims as they find in their tradition, we hope, the tools to build and work within democratic, pluralist states," said Wisdom, a leader in encouraging evangelicals to build relations with Muslims.

Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism in Washington, was especially encouraged that the Fiqh Council said its edict applied in all countries. The term "fiqh" refers to Islamic legal issues.

"It's always helpful when prominent, mainstream religious leaders are willing to take a unified public stand against extremism," said Saperstein, a former member of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. "Ultimately, it is Muslims who are going to need to win the battle about the direction and the future of Islam."

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2005, 07:07:48 AM »

i thought the problem was that these imams fatwa's were ignored and that it needs to come from middle eastern muslim leaders not 'uncle tom' ones?
 

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2005, 07:54:15 AM »

i thought the problem was that these imams fatwa's were ignored and that it needs to come from middle eastern muslim leaders not 'uncle tom' ones?

Are you crazy? That will never ever happen.
 

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2005, 10:21:35 AM »
This morning a group of American Islamic leaders held a press conference to announce a fatwa, or Islamic religious ruling, against “terrorism and extremism.” An organization called the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) issued the fatwa, and the Council on American - Islamic Relations (CAIR) organized the press conference, stating that several major U.S. Muslim groups endorsed the fatwa.

In fact, the fatwa is bogus. Nowhere does it condemn the Islamic extremism ideology that has spawned Islamic terrorism. It does not renounce nor even acknowledge the existence of an Islamic jihadist culture that has permeated mosques and young Muslims around the world. It does not renounce Jihad let alone admit that it has been used to justify Islamic terrorist acts. It does not condemn by name any Islamic group or leader. In short, it is a fake fatwa designed merely to deceive the American public into believing that these groups are moderate. In fact, officials of both organizations have been directly linked to and associated with Islamic terrorist groups and Islamic extremist organizations. One of them is an unindicted co-conspirator in a current terrorist case; another previous member was a financier to Al-Qaeda.

I spoke with Judea Pearl, father of murdered journalist Daniel Pearl who told me that the fatwa was “vacuous because it does not name the perpetrators of Islamic terrorist theologies and leaders of Islamic movements like Yousef Al Qaradawi, Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Al Zawahari, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc.” Pearl told me that these groups are “trying to perpetrate a deception on the American public.”

Officials of both groups have been linked to various terrorist organizations:

The Chairman of the Fiqh Council, Taha Jaber Al-Alwani, is an unindicted co-conspirator in the case against Sami al-Arian, the alleged North American leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, whose trial began in June 2005 in Tampa, Florida. Mr. Alwani has been named in court documents as an official of several entities in northern Virginia suspected of being connected to terrorist financing. Documents released in the Al Arian trial show that Alwani funded the Islamic Jihad front groups in Tampa.

Another past trustee of the Fiqh Council, Abdurrahman Alamoudi, is serving a 23-year prison sentence for illegal financial dealings with Libya and immigration fraud, has admitted to his part in a plot to assassinate the Saudi Crown Prince, and has vocally announced his support for the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Additionally Alamoudi was just named by Treasury as having been a financier for Al Qaeda.

In 1998, Fiqh Council member Sheikh Muhammad al-Hanooti, gave a speech calling for jihad against the United States and the United Kingdom, saying that “Allah will curse the Americans and British” and “Allah, the curse of Allah will become true on the infidel Jews and on the tyrannical Americans.” Additionally, Hanooti is strongly linked to Hamas, having served on the board of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP). A 2002 INS memo extensively documented IAP’s support for HAMAS and noted that the “facts strongly suggest” that IAP is “part of HAMAS’ propaganda apparatus.”

On October 28, 2000, Muzammil Siddiqui, the President of FCNA, at a rally in Lafayette Park in Washington D.C., said, “America has to learn -- if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come!"

In the past 4 years, several CAIR officials have been convicted of or charged with various terrorism-related offenses.

CAIR has championed and defended officials of Islamic terrorist groups including Hamas leader Musa Abu Marzook, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Sami al-Arian, Palestinian Islamic Jihad fundraiser Fawaz Damra, and the radical Egyptian cleric Wagdy Ghoneim.

CAIR has repeatedly attacked the prosecutions of Islamic terrorists arrested and/or convicted since 9-11 and has attacked the government’s freezing of Islamic terrorist fronts as part of a “war against Islam” by the United States.

CAIR has led protests against the deportation of radical Islamic clerics who have called for Jihad or who have been fundraisers for Hamas.

CAIR has asserted that the indictment of Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Sami al-Arian on conspiracy to murder more than 100 people was “politically motivated” and instigated by “the attack dogs of the pro-Israeli lobby."

CAIR has been named as a defendant in a civil lawsuit filed by the family of former FBI official John O’Neill, who was killed on 9-11.

One of the signatories to today’s fatwa is Fawaz Damra who was convicted of immigration fraud related to his ties to Palestinian Islamic Jihad and denaturalized. He is currently awaiting a deportation hearing.

Another signatory, the Muslim American Society, is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States and whose publications have repeatedly supported suicide bombings.

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2005, 10:25:11 AM »
"Terrorism and terrorism alone is the path to liberation -Fawaz Damra"
That’s a direct quote from one of the individuals who signed this "condemnation"

Don't belive me? Check it out here:
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB5AT9XMBE.html
 

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2005, 12:00:24 PM »
Good news, it's like when Barbara bush made that speech on using drugs then America stopped using crack. Hooray for the Fatwa to end all this bloodshed. :)
 

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2005, 01:10:43 PM »
"Terrorism and terrorism alone is the path to liberation -Fawaz Damra"
That’s a direct quote from one of the individuals who signed this "condemnation"

Don't belive me? Check it out here:
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGB5AT9XMBE.html

LOL...Fawaz Damnra was the imam of the biggest mosque here in Cleveland. After 9/11 happened, he went on TV saying that the attack should not reflect upon all Muslims and that Islam is a peaceful religion. He said we all need to live together in peace.  Then a few weeks later a home video came out of him at a mosque calling America evil and calling Jews pigs and demanding jihaad.  He was eventually charged with raising money for terror groups in the Middle East.

What Muslims say publicly is alot different than what they say behind closed doors.
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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2005, 09:47:12 PM »
you idiots will never get it
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2005, 11:51:39 PM »
I know were all just so fucking stupid compared to you, it must pain you harshly to walk the earth everyday with the burding of hearing all the stupid people bother you with their pointless lives. I apologize on behalf of the United States of America to you with the utmost hope that you will learn to tolerate our hateful and ignorant ideology. If we could just be pc and watch the daily show for popular liberal cues to act on, we could make the foundation for a way to someday achieve peace with you and not anger you with our annoying theories. Sorry we had to step on your toes and hurt your feelings.
 

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2005, 12:15:55 AM »
I know were all just so fucking stupid compared to you, it must pain you harshly to walk the earth everyday with the burding of hearing all the stupid people bother you with their pointless lives. I apologize on behalf of the United States of America to you with the utmost hope that you will learn to tolerate our hateful and ignorant ideology. If we could just be pc and watch the daily show for popular liberal cues to act on, we could make the foundation for a way to someday achieve peace with you and not anger you with our annoying theories. Sorry we had to step on your toes and hurt your feelings.
Good news, it's like when Barbara bush made that speech on using drugs then America stopped using crack. Hooray for the Fatwa to end all this bloodshed. :)
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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2005, 12:32:45 AM »
YES
 

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Re: Muslim leaders issue Fatwa (Edict) condemning terrorism
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2005, 01:42:40 PM »
the problem with many of the Muslim country leaders is that they are puppets for Bush.
the only country that isn't rite now is Iran, and i can guarantee you that eventually go after Iran.

another problem is that most of the terrorists do this "in the name of All-h"; in actuality, Islam forbids these sorta bombings which kill innocent people. there are certain rules we (Muslims) must follow in terms of the minor Jihad (minor Jihad is fighting in the way of Islam):
1. we first have to try anything to try and make peace before any war.
2. if that does not work, then we are only allowed to fight once the other side has attacked.
3. we are not allowed to hurt women, children or elderly folks.
4. any prisoner we capture must be treated as if they weren't a prisoner.
5. we are not allowed to take the stuff of the other side.

there are ppl who'll have books from "scholars" that may contradict the above but those scholars information are questioned by all Muslims because Islam is about peace. and there will also be ppl who judge Islam on individuals that are alive righte now; these ppl are NOT representatives of Islam, they are corrupted in the mind and give Islam a terrible name.

this brings me to the third problem, most of these so called Islamic leaders are idiots. Instead of trying to make peace even within Muslims, they cause more problems (e.g. In Pakistan, Shiite and Sunni leaders tell ppl that the otehr sect is messed up and cause such an upraor that the ppl of each sect go and fight with one another).

if anybody wants to look more into what the Holy War is really about, check this link out http://al-islam.org/short/jihad/index.html
      
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