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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2005, 02:41:52 AM »
^you cant compare the sexism in the church to the sexism in islam... sexism in christianity only streches as far as church on sundays, islam the sexism is an ongoing thing every-day...

how is it the women have a choice ? they HAVE to wear a veil, they are comfortable with it, just like a dog can get used to wearing a flea collar, sure its weird at first, but then conditioning allows it to forget ! so why dont they make it optional ? i am sure that over 50% of women would stop wearing it if they werent punished for it in any way...
This is exactly what I mean, you cannot relate the distorted vew's of countries that are predominantly Muslim and say that, that is what the Qur'an and Islam teaches. If you spent the time in analysing and researching the Qur'an and Islam, you come to know that what many of these countries enforce upon their people, is totally against the teaching's of Islam. But the fact remain's that many people in the west only get one view of Islam and that is the totally wrong view.

Like I said, if you research the Qur'an you would come to know that what happen's in these nation's has nothing in relevance to Islam.


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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2005, 08:57:50 AM »
^you cant compare the sexism in the church to the sexism in islam... sexism in christianity only streches as far as church on sundays, islam the sexism is an ongoing thing every-day...

how is it the women have a choice ? they HAVE to wear a veil, they are comfortable with it, just like a dog can get used to wearing a flea collar, sure its weird at first, but then conditioning allows it to forget ! so why dont they make it optional ? i am sure that over 50% of women would stop wearing it if they werent punished for it in any way...
This is exactly what I mean, you cannot relate the distorted vew's of countries that are predominantly Muslim and say that, that is what the Qur'an and Islam teaches. If you spent the time in analysing and researching the Qur'an and Islam, you come to know that what many of these countries enforce upon their people, is totally against the teaching's of Islam. But the fact remain's that many people in the west only get one view of Islam and that is the totally wrong view.

Like I said, if you research the Qur'an you would come to know that what happen's in these nation's has nothing in relevance to Islam.


You said no one forces them to wear the hijab, but clearly they are forced since they are not allowed to take it off. Whether this is a teaching of Islam isn't my concern. You said they aren't forced. You are wrong.
 

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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2005, 09:54:50 AM »
What I mean't to say was, and I apologize, that Islam and the Qur'an do not force a woman to wear Hijab, yes there are statement's which  advise a woman to "cover" herself but they do not tell the woman to i.e. "Wear the Hijab or you will die", but like I said the Qur'an is a book of guidance, I believe, and I don't blame the western people or people who do not know much about Islam/Qur'an, that if you really want to question Islam, read the Qur'an/Hadith's and saying's of the Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) and that is the only authentic source for the "true" and "pure" Islam, rather than reading anti-Islamic sites and watching the news in which you get a one sided view of Islam.


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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2005, 10:33:19 AM »
Simple question to lazarus: Do you think the treatment of women in islamic countries is good and how it is supposed to be?
Cause I don't care where I belong no more
What we share or not I will ignore
And I won't waste my time fitting in
Cause I don't think contrast is a sin
No, it's not a sin
 

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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2005, 12:23:17 PM »
The treatment of women in some countries that are predominantly Muslim, in my opinion, is totally against what I percieve to be the teaching's of Islam and the Qur'an. I think many of the ruler's use Islam as an excuse to what they do, just like people against Islam, they take verses out of context to use for their own means. I once saw a documentary a couple of year's back, which showed treatment of women in Pakistan and when questioned and asked "Are you allowed to do this ?", the people said verses in the Qur'an that did not even corellate to their excuse, that show's that many of these so called "Muslim's" have a weak view of Islam.

But the world is like this and we cannot do much about it, this thing's occur everywhere and we cannot really quell it. I think we should live our own lives the best we can and voice view's against such atoricities and let the judging be done by Allah or whoever you follow.


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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2005, 12:14:29 AM »
the reason why muslims believe that the QUR'AN is the word is god is simple.  Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)  was illiterate, he was chased into a cave by guards and wasnt found because a daddy long leg spider spun a huge web so it fooled the guards.  anyhow, he was in there for a long time, and he didnt eat or drink at all (part of the reason why muslims fast during ramadan) but he was illiterate, and while he was in the cave, he learned thru god (god spoke to him divinely i dont know the whole story but....)  thru god he was able to read and write arabic, and essentially the QUR'AN was the word of god, because an illiterate man wrote the QUR'AN and prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was illiterate and wrote in arabic the word of god that consists of many diverse topics in an awe inspiring way with ZERO mistakes.  to me, ISLAM is the truth because, whom other then GOD can do that....
 

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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2005, 01:25:09 AM »
The treatment of women in some countries that are predominantly Muslim, in my opinion, is totally against what I percieve to be the teaching's of Islam and the Qur'an. I think many of the ruler's use Islam as an excuse to what they do, just like people against Islam, they take verses out of context to use for their own means. I once saw a documentary a couple of year's back, which showed treatment of women in Pakistan and when questioned and asked "Are you allowed to do this ?", the people said verses in the Qur'an that did not even corellate to their excuse, that show's that many of these so called "Muslim's" have a weak view of Islam.

But the world is like this and we cannot do much about it, this thing's occur everywhere and we cannot really quell it. I think we should live our own lives the best we can and voice view's against such atoricities and let the judging be done by Allah or whoever you follow.

well its starnge that the qu'ran allows the men to 'discipline' women, and allows men to have 4 wives... i dont think that can be taken out of context.

but lets say it can be taken out of context. it is strange that a book can be so easily mis-interpreted. and its strange that in the western-world where the major religion is christianity, these things do not arise...

in the western world our fundamental beliefs are rooted in christianity, religous or not our values inevitably stem from teachings of the bible. thats what the western world was fighting for since how many years ?

tell me which society you prefer ?



 

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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2005, 03:21:27 AM »
Well, firstly, you are allowed to have as many wives as you want but you must provide for each wive equally and treat them equally, if you cannot do this then you should not marry many wives. Like I said it is all about providing for them.

Ok onto the second point, it is true that in the Western World the main religion, although declining, is Christianity. But if you base that on you're way of life then can we say the Bible teaches:

Hardcore Porn
Fornication
Divorce
Adultery
Crime

And so on. Like you said yourself the West has a predominantly Christian way of life so we can assume, just like you are assuming about Islam and the Qur'an, that Christianity and the Bible teach this.

Of course they do not teach such act's but the fact of the matter is that it still goes on as human's tend to do what they like but they still call themselve's Christian. Like I said Islam does not teach the act's that are carried out but many people assume they do because the nation is a so called "Islamic Republic".

What type of life would I like to live ?

Well, I would like to live under the true and proper Islamic law and not the extreme and distorted law of many people, I think society as a whole would benefit, but this is my own opinion. Having said this, I still respect and admire the western way of life due to free speech, democracy etc. But Islamic Law is highly unlikely going to going to be prevelant in Western Society so I just liv emy life as best I can and be judged on the last day.



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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2005, 11:49:59 AM »
Well, firstly, you are allowed to have as many wives as you want but you must provide for each wive equally and treat them equally, if you cannot do this then you should not marry many wives. Like I said it is all about providing for them.
yeah ive heard this bullshit before... how can you love more than one woman at a time ? a positive and two negatives dont make 0... thats some bullshit right there.
 
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Ok onto the second point, it is true that in the Western World the main religion, although declining, is Christianity. But if you base that on you're way of life then can we say the Bible teaches:

Hardcore Porn
Fornication
Divorce
Adultery
Crime

And so on. Like you said yourself the West has a predominantly Christian way of life so we can assume, just like you are assuming about Islam and the Qur'an, that Christianity and the Bible teach this.
 
What type of life would I like to live ?

Well, I would like to live under the true and proper Islamic law and not the extreme and distorted law of many people, I think society as a whole would benefit, but this is my own opinion. Having said this, I still respect and admire the western way of life due to free speech, democracy etc. But Islamic Law is highly unlikely going to going to be prevelant in Western Society so I just liv emy life as best I can and be judged on the last day.



so how exactly does your life differ from mine ?
 

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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2005, 03:18:37 PM »
Well, firstly, you are allowed to have as many wives as you want but you must provide for each wive equally and treat them equally, if you cannot do this then you should not marry many wives. Like I said it is all about providing for them.


When Islam allows a woman to have as many husbands as she wants so long as she provides for them, I'll stop debating with you.
 

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Re: The Bible v The Qur'an
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2005, 02:02:31 AM »
LOL at the religeous peeps on this board trying to convert Hip Hop Heads which is a comunity of peeps that is raised to go against the grain and say "fuck the sytsem". 


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