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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2005, 12:18:35 PM »
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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2005, 01:42:07 PM »
I'd like someone to explain what makes Eminem a music genius. What revolutionary new technique has he brought upon the music world? How has he changed music as a whole?

I will explain...

#1.  He was one of the greatest lyricists ever.  You can take almost any song off of the Slim Shady LP and listen to it over and over and here a different rhyme, most rappers only rhyme the last word of each bar, his bars are layered with rhymes.  I know he's not the first rapper to do this, but I will say he took it to another level.  Even back in 1996 he was doing this as well as any rapper in the game, listen to his track "Infinite"...

"I'm Infinite/
You heard of hell/
Well I was sent from it/
I went to it servin a sentence
For murderin instruments/
and now I'm trying to repent from it/
But when I hear a beat I'm tempted to make another attempt at it/
I'm Infinite"


#2.  He was a great battle rapper.  He had a mix tape with "Nail In The Coffin" and he totally ripped the Source apart, he also had an unreleased track called "Bully" and a Canibus diss track on there, these are all classic diss tracks.  Eminen came in second at the rap olympics, and he can also spit straight off the dome freestylin.

#3.  He's a great performer, I don't go to hip-hop concerts anymore, but I did see two of his shows back in the day, and he killed it, alot of rappers can't perform, Em is tight in the studio, and he can move a crowd, back in hip-hop's early days if you couldn't move a crowd then you weren't even aloud in the game.

#4.  He is one of the most prolific writers, everyone knows him for his metaphors but he is also one of the greatest storytellers hip-hop has ever seen.  Listen to "Stan" or "Just the Two of Us" or "Kim", even Slick Rick can't touch that skill level. 

#5.  He's the only white dude that has been able to establish a long carear in hip-hop and excell to the top of the game.  That's no small task.

#6.  He can rap and produce, by the time the Eminem Show came out he was producing almost 80% of his material, this is a true artist.

.......those are just a few reasons... I could go on, really, the only rapper who has done more than Eminem is 2pac.

     
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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2005, 02:02:05 PM »
I can understand you pushing him on the idea of lyrics, but that doesn't make him a music genius. He doesn't sing. By that logic, most of the great poets are also music geniuses.

And his production is average at best. It doesn't take a genius when you're not even playing the instruments yourself.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2005, 02:03:38 PM »
I dont look into his music that deeply. 

He made albums, and made good money off them.  I dont think he sat there and planned it all out like you say he did.  He just did it.
 

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2005, 02:19:14 PM »
even Slick Rick can't touch that skill level. 
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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2005, 03:01:26 PM »
eminem is a faggot
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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2005, 06:36:25 PM »
I can understand you pushing him on the idea of lyrics, but that doesn't make him a music genius. He doesn't sing. By that logic, most of the great poets are also music geniuses.

And his production is average at best. It doesn't take a genius when you're not even playing the instruments yourself.

He's a rap artist, rap artists aren't expected to be singers, although Eminem did do things with his voice that were on a level other rappers couldn't touch.  If you listen to the way he anunciates and uses his throat all through the Marshall Mathers LP and Eminem Show then you would really appreciate his talent, he doesn't just stand back and talk, he paid careful attention to his tone and his intensity and pitch on every word spoken, and it makes a difference. 

And there's a big difference between being a poet and making music, so your saying Maya Angelou could cut a record and sound as dope as Eminem?
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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2005, 07:09:47 PM »
I can understand you pushing him on the idea of lyrics, but that doesn't make him a music genius. He doesn't sing. By that logic, most of the great poets are also music geniuses.

And his production is average at best. It doesn't take a genius when you're not even playing the instruments yourself.

He's a rap artist, rap artists aren't expected to be singers, although Eminem did do things with his voice that were on a level other rappers couldn't touch.  If you listen to the way he anunciates and uses his throat all through the Marshall Mathers LP and Eminem Show then you would really appreciate his talent, he does just stand back and talk, he paid careful attention to his tone and his intensity and pitch on every word spoken, and it makes a difference. 

And there's a big difference between being a poet and making music, so your saying Maya Angelou could cut a record and sound as dope as Eminem?

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2005, 07:10:46 PM »
I can understand you pushing him on the idea of lyrics, but that doesn't make him a music genius. He doesn't sing. By that logic, most of the great poets are also music geniuses.

And his production is average at best. It doesn't take a genius when you're not even playing the instruments yourself.

He's a rap artist, rap artists aren't expected to be singers, although Eminem did do things with his voice that were on a level other rappers couldn't touch.  If you listen to the way he anunciates and uses his throat all through the Marshall Mathers LP and Eminem Show then you would really appreciate his talent, he does just stand back and talk, he paid careful attention to his tone and his intensity and pitch on every word spoken, and it makes a difference. 

And there's a big difference between being a poet and making music, so your saying Maya Angelou could cut a record and sound as dope as Eminem?

Come on. You're really overrating this guy. He's made some cool songs but music genius is pretty far. There's maybe like 10 music geniuses in the last century. He definetly isn't one.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2005, 08:14:36 PM »
wudnt call him a musical genius.
he has sum good songz and there is no denying that.
but if ur callin him a musical genius because he uses the same theme, then basically everybody is a musical genius:
Ja Rule would be a musical genius for constantly bringin up bein a "murderer".
Lil Jon would be a musical genius for constantly talkin bout gettin crunk n shyt.
DMX would be a musical genius for constantly talkin about the streetz.
Snoop would be a musical genius for constantly talkin bout gangbangin.

(im not takin nethin away from these artistz btw).

i giv him his duez for bringin out a new theme or a theme that ppl dint recognize before.


if he is being based as a musical genius because of his lyricz, there are other kickass lyricistz too: Immortal Technique, Nas, Biggie was one as well.

he is a decent producer; he has the capabilty of producin good songz such as the Runnin Remix; but then he screwz up on songz such as Thug for Life and sum otherz on Loyal to the Game.
      
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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2005, 11:09:36 PM »
he's given his reasons for encore bein like it was

- interscope wanted a 'poppy single', so he gave them a whole album so he can do the next album how he wants to
- he doesnt want the spotlight, hoping it might make people forget about him

First off, I dont really feed into these "reasons/excuses for releasin' a shitty ass album. Yea, even if Interscope did want Em to make a more "poppy" album thats still not an excuse for a shitty release like "Encore". How did he feel that releasin' a shitty ass album would prove a point!? Eminem could put his name on a pair of old sweaty gym socks and that shit would go platinum plus!!! And also, why would u want to fuck up ur carrer/reputation by releasin' a piece of shit album! Dont make sense to me!

Ok, he says he wanted out of the "spotlight". There is other ways of gettin' out of the spotlight then releasin' an album like "Encore"! Believe me, he could have came up with a better idea to get out the spotlight then just makin' hisself and every1 who participated in this album look like garbage!

Another thing, I seriously doubt that Dre would participate in an album that is a "ploy" to get out the spotlight. The perfectionist that Dre is I doubt he would seriously be involved in something that he knew was gonna be critized and called a joke! Thats just my 2 cents! 

 

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2005, 12:06:03 AM »
Say what you want about Eminem, and we all know that by the time Encore was released Em's skills had seen their better days, but that was exactly the purpose for the album.

-On Encore, he sets off the first track "Evil Deeds" saying that he never meant to be as big as he was, and that the show is over, and he wants out of the spotlight, he knows he can't do what he was able to do before, he has said what he's got to say, but that he's not leaving without one last encore, and he's not leaving without "passing 50 the button".

-Em is a musical genius.  Take his four albums, and all four are related to one another.  He jumps off with "My Name Is" on the Slim Shady LP, but by the time Encore comes around he has been exhausted and "Rain Man" is an expression of this (with all the usual sarcasm and irony).

-The Slim Shady LP had a theme and a track about him explaining the death of his daughter's mom, then on the Marshall Mathers LP he has a song that's a prequel to that event.

-Track 2 on the The Marshall Mathers LP and track 2 on The Eminem Show both finish with the same sarcasm and irony.

-Every album had a song like "Cum On Everybody" and it was usually track 13.

-Every album had a skit from Paul.

-Every album took you deeper and deeper into his family history and background, and he left no stone unturned.  His life has been an open book and the price for this has taken it's toll.  By the time "Mockingbird" comes along on Encore, Em is reflecting on all the fame and family hardship, and he's asking to be out of the spotlight saying "One day this will all just be a dream." 

-One of Em's most underrated songs is "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" on the Eminem Show.  He's basically saying that he wants out of the spotlight, and wants a normal life, that he never expected to be as big as he was, and that he's preparing for the time when it is all over.  He finishes this thought on the next album in "Evil Deeds" when he says everyone thinks he has it so great, and their is the big show, but he can't go home, the "curtain never closes".

-He has a constant theme from Slim Shady LP and a fascination with suicide, he speaks explicitly about it in the Slim Shady LP about wanting to kill himself, and finally on Encore he does it, but "not without leaving the game without atleast saying goodbye" and he raps up his legacy on a final climatic track with Dre and 50 Cent where he says "if they hadn't seen our faces on rolling stone pages maybe they'd be raised to be racists".

........Really, Em is a genius for this, and nobody has given him the credit he deserves for dropping four albums that run together to form one of the greatest works of art of our time.


Nigga! get off that White( KLANS MAN)dick.....talk about some real shit.like how he just fucked over a legends(2-PAC) music.was that shit so "GENIUS"...close this shit....and stop supporting a racist. :grumpy:
WTF!!! does Em have to do anything wit pac? 2 different raps styles and 2 Very different rappers

and how in the fuckin world is EM a racist did i miss somethin?
 

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2005, 12:29:44 AM »
Say what you want about Eminem, and we all know that by the time Encore was released Em's skills had seen their better days, but that was exactly the purpose for the album.

-On Encore, he sets off the first track "Evil Deeds" saying that he never meant to be as big as he was, and that the show is over, and he wants out of the spotlight, he knows he can't do what he was able to do before, he has said what he's got to say, but that he's not leaving without one last encore, and he's not leaving without "passing 50 the button".

-Em is a musical genius.  Take his four albums, and all four are related to one another.  He jumps off with "My Name Is" on the Slim Shady LP, but by the time Encore comes around he has been exhausted and "Rain Man" is an expression of this (with all the usual sarcasm and irony).

-The Slim Shady LP had a theme and a track about him explaining the death of his daughter's mom, then on the Marshall Mathers LP he has a song that's a prequel to that event.

-Track 2 on the The Marshall Mathers LP and track 2 on The Eminem Show both finish with the same sarcasm and irony.

-Every album had a song like "Cum On Everybody" and it was usually track 13.

-Every album had a skit from Paul.

-Every album took you deeper and deeper into his family history and background, and he left no stone unturned.  His life has been an open book and the price for this has taken it's toll.  By the time "Mockingbird" comes along on Encore, Em is reflecting on all the fame and family hardship, and he's asking to be out of the spotlight saying "One day this will all just be a dream." 

-One of Em's most underrated songs is "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" on the Eminem Show.  He's basically saying that he wants out of the spotlight, and wants a normal life, that he never expected to be as big as he was, and that he's preparing for the time when it is all over.  He finishes this thought on the next album in "Evil Deeds" when he says everyone thinks he has it so great, and their is the big show, but he can't go home, the "curtain never closes".

-He has a constant theme from Slim Shady LP and a fascination with suicide, he speaks explicitly about it in the Slim Shady LP about wanting to kill himself, and finally on Encore he does it, but "not without leaving the game without atleast saying goodbye" and he raps up his legacy on a final climatic track with Dre and 50 Cent where he says "if they hadn't seen our faces on rolling stone pages maybe they'd be raised to be racists".

........Really, Em is a genius for this, and nobody has given him the credit he deserves for dropping four albums that run together to form one of the greatest works of art of our time.


Nigga! get off that White( KLANS MAN)dick.....talk about some real shit.like how he just fucked over a legends(2-PAC) music.was that shit so "GENIUS"...close this shit....and stop supporting a racist. :grumpy:
WTF!!! does Em have to do anything wit pac? 2 different raps styles and 2 Very different rappers

and how in the fuckin world is EM a racist did i miss somethin?

those faggots @ "The Sourse" found a tape Eminem calling a black girl a bitch..but that's bullshit he wasn't been racist..but you know how the sourse is...bunch of racist jealous fags
 

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2005, 12:36:44 AM »
^& he said the N word,they didnt make that up.Oh yeah:
eminem is a faggot
 

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Re: No Rapper Was Able To Produce Continuity Between Albums Like Eminem!
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2005, 12:42:32 AM »
it pisses me off how eminem doesnt want spotlight, what the fuck are you rapping for?!