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Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« on: April 23, 2002, 07:05:24 PM »
Hip-hop musicians are more "genius" than these cats.

Yo... I'm in music appreciation, Beathoven, Back, those cats ain't shit, they made music for the King, it's like today if some "geniuses" made music for president Bush, to please him and the wealthy class of freemasons, it would be wack, the real music is in the streets, from the streets, for the streets, that's where the true genius comes from, neccessity, like hip-hop, they created their own art form out of neccessity.  Robert Moses had Brooklyn all fucked up because of the Cross Bronx expressway.  Hip-hop saved Brooklyn.
 

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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2002, 07:17:24 PM »
Did you know Ludwig van Beethoven was deaf for the last part of his life? He still composed without ANY hearing. That's genius to me! There are 7 piano sonatas that he composed while he was deaf, some of them are thought to be his GREATEST shit...

It was weak that they had to make music for the king, but thats how shit was back then. Artists had to do shit for the king as well... They were compsoing for their own enjoyment, but they did it in the name of the king.

To say they arent shit isnt fair. Just wait till Dj quiks new CD comes out, check out Chopin's groove to see how these guys can play a big part in Rap music today!

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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2002, 07:45:36 PM »
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Did you know Ludwig van Beethoven was deaf for the last part of his life? He still composed without ANY hearing. That's genius to me! There are 7 piano sonatas that he composed while he was deaf, some of them are thought to be his GREATEST shit...

It was weak that they had to make music for the king, but thats how shit was back then. Artists had to do shit for the king as well... They were compsoing for their own enjoyment, but they did it in the name of the king.

To say they arent shit isnt fair. Just wait till Dj quiks new CD comes out, check out Chopin's groove to see how these guys can play a big part in Rap music today!

-Engelwood


Check this though.... I bet back in those days, the real people, working 9:00 to 5:00 and the disenfranchised people of the day, people of the streets, I bet they were like "Fuck Mozart" and they were listening to better shit that just didn't get popular.  Years from now they'll say the band Creed were geniuses and won't mention Bone.
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2002, 02:35:13 AM »
please shut up this post is retarded
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2002, 02:57:11 AM »
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Posted by: Ant Posted on: Today at 07:35:13
please shut up this post is retarded  



LOL  ;D

lock this topic!

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Years from now they'll say the band Creed were geniuses and won't mention Bone.


dont think soo!
do u think the president can control the hisstory books?

j/k   ;)
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2002, 03:18:42 AM »
Which King?  Of which country?  

Straight crappy post right here, I'm surprised at who it's by

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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2002, 05:03:59 AM »
i really don't think that they were wack , they're shit is there for how many years and it still classic, who know if classic from nowadays will remain in 300 years from now,you heard them music mostly everywhere u go, and u don't hear rap in restaurant like mcdonald or in the elevator or some, c'mon , it just ain't your style, but it ain't wack ;)
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2002, 06:04:35 AM »
you win some, you lose some
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2002, 06:16:37 AM »
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2002, 08:36:25 AM »
Yo Infinite, you gotta start respecting other types of music, and not act like the world revolves around Hip-Hop.  These guys were genius's, and still are influecenial.  Just ask Alicia Keys.  It's not who you make the music for either, it's how it sounds.

I hope you don't get sick of Hip-Hop soon cause you gotta peep other shit once and a while to stay fresh.

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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2002, 08:51:33 AM »
No classical music = no Dre 2001
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2002, 09:26:59 AM »
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Yo Infinite, you gotta start respecting other types of music, and not act like the world revolves around Hip-Hop.  These guys were genius's, and still are influecenial.  Just ask Alicia Keys.  It's not who you make the music for either, it's how it sounds.

I hope you don't get sick of Hip-Hop soon cause you gotta peep other shit once and a while to stay fresh.

Peace


To stay fresh?  Man.... you crazy homie..... during hip-hop's golden age of 88' I wasn't even listening to hip-hop, I was too young, and up until like 98, I was a straight West Coast head, that's a 10 YEAR PERIOD of major album releases that I may have missed.  I'll be busy with hip-hop for a LONG time.
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2002, 10:33:12 AM »
yeah like i said on the other thread...i think they are overrated as fuck.....gets too much credit
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2002, 12:59:13 PM »
infinate with all due respect and no beef....BUT


this is THE MOST:BLATENTELY IGNORANT, CLOSED MINDED,HISTERICLE, RETARDED, DUMBEST, GAYEST, FUNNIEST, BIASED, PLUS MANY MORE NEGATIVE ADJECTIVES.....things i've ever read, (i'm not dissing you AT ALL) but this really deteriorates ALOT of your other philosopies as well


like the other homie said , if composing THE BEST melodies ever and being deaf ain't genius i don't know what is, lol dude straight up u need to get your mind in check a lil bit
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2002, 01:37:38 PM »
yeah i'm not into classical music much fur beethoven, mozart, bach.. all geniuses
beethoven..a deaf man and composed some of the most classic music.. listen to "fur elise" all by beethoven, that really is straight up genius right there

all three of those men all geniuses and all fit under classical music.
i heard this today about them three being under the categories of classical:
romantic
heroic
classical itself

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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2002, 01:44:30 PM »
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yeah i'm not into classical music much fur beethoven, mozart, bach.. all geniuses
beethoven..a deaf man and composed some of the most classic music.. listen to "fur elise" all by beethoven, that really is straight up genius right there

all three of those men all geniuses and all fit under classical music.
i heard this today about them three being under the categories of classical:
romantic
heroic
classical itself



word, i disagree infinite, sure everyone has their own taste, for example, i hate pop, but i will easily admit most of the pop artists...can sing...

These guys were geniuses IMO.....thaz all i gotta say

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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2002, 02:09:40 PM »
i would say like this:

like Einstein said, "Everything Is Relative"

to be considered as a genious, you gotta be compared with somebody, the only classical composers we know are thoose who played for royalities and raises to the nobilities . we can say that their music were tremendous, but the definition of genious is "exceptional creative ability" and to know if somebody have a exceptional creative ability, we gotta compare with all the rest of the composeres, witch we cant, cuz 95% of them are unknown by us...maby the unknown talents had much more skillz than mozart, but didnt had enough connection to enter the royalities, we dont know that

so i dont consider mozart, beethoven and the rest as genius, BUT i do consider them as very musical talented composers..


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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2002, 02:12:59 PM »
if they arn't geniess than dj quik , dr. dre and organized noize are helmet retards,lol
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2002, 02:14:50 PM »
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if they arn't geniess than dj quik , dr. dre and organized noize are helmet retards,lol


they are genius compared to who??
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2002, 02:20:20 PM »
You are so, so, so greatly ignorant.

All the respect I once had for you is gone.

I should have lost all respect for you when I found out you want to make a Tupac religion.

Tupac... religion.

Riight.
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2002, 02:24:20 PM »
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they are genius compared to who??




every composer that ever lived before or after them, NOTE they wern't the first of their kind, and the deeper you'll get into music you'll find out that there were other note worthy musical arrangers before them, they are just more popular becuase Bach and Beetoven were the greatest
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2002, 02:31:57 PM »
the period for classic music reaches over 400 years ... i dont think there is more than 400 known composers witch means that the most educated person knows an avreage of 1 composer / year .... thats not enough to be cassified as a genious ...

its like saying that dre is a hiphop-genius when there's only 15-20 producers in the whole hiphop-history
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2002, 02:36:33 PM »
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the period for classic music reaches over 400 years ... i dont think there is more than 400 known composers witch means that the most educated person knows an avreage of 1 composer / year .... thats not enough to be cassified as a genious ...

its like saying that dre is a hiphop-genius when there's only 15-20 producers in the whole hiphop-history



lol your so ignorant it's amuzing me, snoop dogg is greater than 2pac huh?



and as far as rap producers theres been way more than 15-20, hell theres more than 15 and 20 now...in the westcoast alone i can name 10

1. dre
2. quik
3. battlecat
4. soopafly
5. fredwreck
6. ant banks
7. qdIII
8. muggs
9. e-swift
10. daz


ok theres 10, and that's not even including all the down south and eastcoast , AND other westcoast producers
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2002, 02:43:15 PM »
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lol your so ignorant it's amuzing me, snoop dogg is greater than 2pac huh?



and as far as rap producers theres been way more than 15-20, hell theres more than 15 and 20 now...in the westcoast alone i can name 10

1. dre
2. quik
3. battlecat
4. soopafly
5. fredwreck
6. ant banks
7. qdIII
8. muggs
9. e-swift
10. daz


ok theres 10, and that's not even including all the down south and eastcoast , AND other westcoast producers


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its like saying that dre is a hiphop-genius IF there's only been 15-20 producers in the whole hiphop-history

and yes, snoop dogg is better than 2pac, but what snoop got to do with this???
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Re: Beethoven, Bach, Mozart- Straight Wack!!!
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2002, 02:44:48 PM »
LMAO your a funny little piece
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