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This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« on: October 04, 2005, 07:52:29 AM »
I'm learning that the "trust nobody" attitude alot of us were raised with was very limiting.  Being raised in America there is a premium placed on being independant, even to the point of being stubborn and negligent.  Now, as a Muslim I am struggling to correct these habits.

One of the Amirs and brothers of knowledge from my local community often councils me and provides for me what we call "mushura".  Sometimes I don't want to listen and I want to make desicions in haste, and he explains to me that when we make desicions on our own, we often make those desicions according to our "nafs", lower desires, and that it has been a practice of pious people throughout history to humble themselves before their mentors and accept direction from them.

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 09:20:09 AM »
What you saying? If you're implying we should be trusting people in general, then you're full of it. Whether you like it or not, this world is influenced by the leader of hell, it happens 24/7. I don't know what environment you're in, but I can't afford to trust anybody around here except my closest folks. There's a line people cross where they feel like family to you and can be trusted, but even then you have to stay on your toes at all times and ask god for guidance.

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2005, 11:55:22 AM »
man i was hopin u were gonna keep the eldridge cleaver alias, since you'll probably end up like him in the long run
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2005, 12:04:21 PM »
If you're a muslim, I'm sure it's easy to trust others within your community.  Just like if you're Christain, you could probably trust other Christians in your community without even really knowing them.  But for the people who aren't religeous, or aren't actively involved in their religeon, it's just stupid to trust people you don't know.  Trust is earned.
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 12:33:24 PM »
Bro, you have never once been in the street in any level at all have you.  And im not talking about on some ghetto type shit.  You can tell from your post you have never been in a situation where you have to watch your back from someone trying to get over on you.  come to new york on that trust anyone stuff and after a week your be in for a rude awakening
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 12:42:47 PM »
If you're a muslim, I'm sure it's easy to trust others within your community.  Just like if you're Christain, you could probably trust other Christians in your community without even really knowing them.  But for the people who aren't religeous, or aren't actively involved in their religeon, it's just stupid to trust people you don't know.  Trust is earned.
its not because one shares your religion you can trust them, just look at them pedophile cases in the Catholic church.

before you trust someone you should really think about your relation with that person. he or she can stab you in the back.. its sad to say, but it can happen. but this thought may not control your life or you will loose alot! i guess you have to take the mistrusts with the good things..
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 01:32:50 PM »
Bro, you have never once been in the street in any level at all have you.  And im not talking about on some ghetto type shit.  You can tell from your post you have never been in a situation where you have to watch your back from someone trying to get over on you.  come to new york on that trust anyone stuff and after a week your be in for a rude awakening

ralph you moved to new york?
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2005, 02:09:56 PM »
I'm learning that the "trust nobody" attitude alot of us were raised with was very limiting.  Being raised in America there is a premium placed on being independant, even to the point of being stubborn and negligent.  Now, as a Muslim I am struggling to correct these habits.
i agree but there are too many backstabbers around, when i get to know someone i'm very trusting but if you betray me its nearly impossible to get my respect back. I've noticed there is a culture to just look after your own interests no matter whose toes you step on, i like to think i'm much more considerate than that.

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2005, 02:41:18 PM »
If you're a muslim, I'm sure it's easy to trust others within your community.  Just like if you're Christain, you could probably trust other Christians in your community without even really knowing them.  But for the people who aren't religeous, or aren't actively involved in their religeon, it's just stupid to trust people you don't know.

What's that tell you? 
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2005, 03:21:19 PM »
If you're a muslim, I'm sure it's easy to trust others within your community.  Just like if you're Christain, you could probably trust other Christians in your community without even really knowing them.  But for the people who aren't religeous, or aren't actively involved in their religeon, it's just stupid to trust people you don't know.

What's that tell you? 

to get involved in your community and make lots of friends  :D
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2005, 05:53:04 PM »
i trust no-one but myself, family and four of my friends, people tend to take advantage of trust.
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2005, 08:05:39 AM »
What you saying? If you're implying we should be trusting people in general, then you're full of it. Whether you like it or not, this world is influenced by the leader of hell, it happens 24/7. I don't know what environment you're in, but I can't afford to trust anybody around here except my closest folks. There's a line people cross where they feel like family to you and can be trusted, but even then you have to stay on your toes at all times and ask god for guidance.
Infinite...I usually agree with your posts, but I have to agree completely with Rodzilla here. That whole trusting each other thing is really a life and death situation...no joke. If you really believe in that whole natural trusting behavior of people, then I think you are kind of naive when it comes to reality.
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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2005, 05:30:44 PM »
it would be great if we all could trust each other...imagine that!
THe world would be totally different.
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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2005, 06:28:44 PM »
People are corrupt regardless of religion, race, sex, etc. etc.

You have to see their character and from there you deem them worthy of trust.

The whole trust your religion thing just keeps people divided. Same if you apply that to race.
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2005, 06:33:13 PM »
religion is the root of all evil
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2005, 07:24:03 PM »
dude if u send me like a thousand dollars over paypal I'll double it for you in two weeks thru the stock market. You can trust me.
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2005, 07:54:02 PM »
People are corrupt regardless of religion, race, sex, etc. etc.

You have to see their character and from there you deem them worthy of trust.

The whole trust your religion thing just keeps people divided. Same if you apply that to race.

Nah, it's attitudes like this that make the world a bad place.  People aren't corrupt, people are beautiful and great from the moment they're born.  Some are perverted and turned into assholes, but I've found the vast majority of people you can trust. 
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2005, 08:04:00 PM »
People are corrupt regardless of religion, race, sex, etc. etc.

You have to see their character and from there you deem them worthy of trust.

The whole trust your religion thing just keeps people divided. Same if you apply that to race.

Nah, it's attitudes like this that make the world a bad place.  People aren't corrupt, people are beautiful and great from the moment they're born.  Some are perverted and turned into assholes, but I've found the vast majority of people you can trust. 

Perverted by greed, lust, and other traits that are seen in children from birth. Those are characteristics of human nature. Just the state of the world today proves that human beings are ungrateful assholes who don't appreciate the opportunity of life that God has granted us.

I mean, of course there are genuinely decent people with heart's of gold. They are the minority though. You and I just have opposite views on the world.
 

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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2005, 01:32:39 AM »
Most of the 7 death sins are already inside little infants who are raised by good parents.

I mean get real. Humans are fuckers from day 1.

1. deceit
2. wrath
3. envy
4. gluttony
5. greed

those are all anchored in little infants already.

things like pride and lust become absolutely natural once they have discovered their sexuality.


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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2005, 01:46:19 PM »
man...lol...i aint trustin shyt but like 2-3 of my homies and thats it...and my fam fuck the world
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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2005, 07:19:24 PM »
im findin it harder n harder to trust anybody nemore, includin my own family...
after so many thingz that hav happened to me, im pretty much gonna stop bein a nice guy now
cause when ppl need u and if ur a good dude, then u'll help em outta the goodness of ur heart; but if u need em for even the smallest thing, they act like they dun even kno u
      
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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2005, 09:18:02 PM »
Everyone twisted up this thread, nowhere in my post did I say to trust everybody or to trust people in general.  I'm talking about having a mentor or someone you can look up to for giudance, that's it, and I thought I made that pretty clear in my opening post but ya'll took it a whole nother direction.  Ofcourse you can't go around trusting everybody, you would be lead in so many different directions you wouldn't know which way is up.  Go back and read the origional post over again.
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Re: This "trust nobody" attitude limits human potential
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2005, 01:05:45 AM »
you should chill on that mentor shit.. you might end up in a sect, which is NOT good, no matter how good everyone in it feels. mental drugs are the worst.
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2005, 04:37:32 AM »
Everyone twisted up this thread, nowhere in my post did I say to trust everybody or to trust people in general.  I'm talking about having a mentor or someone you can look up to for giudance, that's it, and I thought I made that pretty clear in my opening post but ya'll took it a whole nother direction.  Ofcourse you can't go around trusting everybody, you would be lead in so many different directions you wouldn't know which way is up.  Go back and read the origional post over again.

well shit, then where did the whole "trust nobody attitude limits human potential" come from ?

and nah i dont think i need a mentor, i learn from my folks.
 

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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2005, 12:28:02 PM »
Everyone twisted up this thread, nowhere in my post did I say to trust everybody or to trust people in general.  I'm talking about having a mentor or someone you can look up to for giudance, that's it, and I thought I made that pretty clear in my opening post but ya'll took it a whole nother direction.  Ofcourse you can't go around trusting everybody, you would be lead in so many different directions you wouldn't know which way is up.  Go back and read the origional post over again.

No, that is not what you said.

And even if it is, we all know it's an empty statement. All you're saying is people should look up to a respected Muslim and make it their role model. 

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