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Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« on: October 14, 2005, 10:19:35 AM »
Arafat death probe 'inconclusive'
A Palestinian ministerial inquiry into the death of former leader Yasser Arafat has proved inconclusive, said Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei.
Mr Qurei said that the inquiry found that French and Palestinian doctors could not identify the disease that killed Mr Arafat.

The former Palestinian leader's death was not caused by germs, cancer, poisoning or Aids, said Mr Qurei.

Yasser Arafat died on 11 November 2004 at a French military hospital.

But Mr Qurei added that file on Yasser Arafat's death would not be closed as "there could be medical developments in the future that could determine the cause of his death."

Conflicting reports

Speculation on the cause of Mr Arafat's death has continued in the media with many Palestinians believing that he was poisoned by Israel.

The Israeli government has repeatedly denied any involvement in his death.

The Palestinian leader's wife, Suha, refused to allow an autopsy.

A report published by the New York Times newspaper last month said that Mr Arafat's medical records showed that he died from stroke that stemmed from an unknown condition.

But a book by two Israeli journalists claimed that Mr Arafat's death could have been the result of an infection, Aids or poisoning.







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i still reckon Israel was behind his death....

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2005, 10:28:49 AM »
It is fucking obvious that Sharon poisoned him. He even said he was gonna assassinate Arafat shortly before he became sick. You gotta be a moron to not investigate into this shit. It's not even a question for me.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2005, 12:17:39 PM »
It is fucking obvious that Sharon poisoned him. He even said he was gonna assassinate Arafat shortly before he became sick. You gotta be a moron to not investigate into this shit. It's not even a question for me.
^yea I agree. I have very little doubts that arafat was assasinated.
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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2005, 02:25:09 PM »
israel do some fucked up things man. has anyone seen the 'death in gazaa' documentary? basically it was shot a couple of years ago and these british journalists they were following around some children who lived in gazaa, unfortunatly it was cut short when the crew were leaving the a house of one of the children to go somewhere safer, there was an israeli APV outside but not there had been no activity all night (ie aggression on either side) they decided the best approach was to annonce they were leaving so the had a torch and pointed at a white flag they were waving and started to approach the vehicle stating they were british journalists and they were going to leave, a shot was fired they stood still thinking it was a warning shot, then like 13 seconds later another shot was fired which hit the cameraman james miller in the neck killing him instantly and all this was all caught on film by a local palestinian cameraman. israel has done fuck all about it, at first they denied it, then they said he was caught up in the cross fire with the palestinians (there wasn't any), the guilty soldeir was an israeli arab who admited to doing it but had changed his story 3 times! the israeli army has said he was operating in difficult conditions and acted appropriately and he has not even been disciplined!!!! how fucked up is that? if they let their soldiers kill a white flag waving british journalist with repercussion when the british governemnt is pressuring them for action, just think about how they act with ordinary palestinians who don't have the same political clout as we do.

one good thing did come of it one of the boys in the film who was 11 was working for the militants and wanted to be a matyr, but james miller had touch him so much he has changed his mind and stopped working for the militants and wants to be a cameraman now...

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2005, 11:33:22 PM »
Sharon is a terrorist and a murderer
 

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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2005, 08:42:24 AM »
" You gotta be a moron to not investigate into this shit. It's not even a question for me."

there was no serious investigation cause no1 gave a shit about the fossil at the time he died and they want to keep it that way no point in making him a martyr.
Plus if an investigation comes out saying "the Israelis did it" Israel and Palestine turn into a pool of blood ,and quite honestly the old bastard ain't worth it .

any1 heard the rumor that he was gay?


 

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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2005, 01:25:51 AM »
It is fucking obvious that Sharon poisoned him. He even said he was gonna assassinate Arafat shortly before he became sick. You gotta be a moron to not investigate into this shit. It's not even a question for me.


Arafat should've actually been dead long before if he hadn't been as sneaky as he was...You have to realise that his main purpose throughout the numerous peace treaties he'd been through( without any actual results ) was to legalize his terroristic agenda. Wether it was Oslo, Camp David or any other allegedly peace seeking advance he'd ostensibly make, all had a number of common denominators: There was an on going terroristic activity courtesy of numerous groups in the autonomy throughout each and every agreement, all agreements scored international justification and rationalization of terrorism(most of you people are byproducts of this) for the Palestinian authority, every agreement resulted in yet another vast shift of international funding under the flag of renovation of infrastructures(in reality none of the money had been used for this purpose), Arafat bailed out of every one of these agreements blaiming Israel in violation of the bargain terms with on going terroristic activity preceding his disclamation.

Hell, I would've been proud if it was true I suppose, the way all Jews around the world had been when Nazi war criminals were executed.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2005, 01:46:46 AM »
Arafat was a fucktard, I'll give you that... but...

A supporter of the Israeli government has no room to talk about terrorism.... that's like Hitler supporters calling others anti-Semitic.

Israel >>> al-Qaeda
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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2005, 03:22:02 AM »
Arafat was a fucktard, I'll give you that... but...

A supporter of the Israeli government has no room to talk about terrorism.... that's like Hitler supporters calling others anti-Semitic.

Israel >>> al-Qaeda

Im not a supporter Im an Israeli citizen...Buses have exploded near my home and Kassam missiles had been launched on my former school and you tell me I shouldn't talk about terrorism? ...You're just going around spreading ungrounded slogans with nothing but speculations and quotes from anti Israeli propoganda articles to back them up...I'm gonna come up with a slogan now:

If you don't support Israel> You support Terrorism.....*and unlike yours this one had been tested*
 
and here is one more(and this one also contains correlation to the first one):

Funding the Palestinian authority=subsidizing terrorism.

One day the world will know the truth but it's gonna be too late, if spetember 11th wasn't a wake up call for you people I doubt anything will help you realize the threat our world is facing, it's not Israel's problem alone- it's global...Look at Al Qaeda,Look at Jihad and Hamas, look at Chechnia, look at Iraq, look at Iran, examine Syria...You people like to apply your double standard way too often for your own good, these are not separate problems, these are elements of the same problem. Certain power structures realized that there is a very efficient way to impose their ways on the world and you people play into their hands with your ignorance.What can I say- GOOD LUCK, hope it works out for ya.
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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2005, 03:27:27 AM »
ok let me ask u this if gazaa was peaceful would israel have ever retreated?? would they have left lebonen?? israel has committed many atricities in the last 60 years until they make room for a viable palestinians state i shall sympathise with their cause.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2005, 04:25:53 AM »
ok let me ask u this if gazaa was peaceful would israel have ever retreated?? would they have left lebonen?? israel has committed many atricities in the last 60 years until they make room for a viable palestinians state i shall sympathise with their cause.

Your question only showes how subdued you are to the Palestinian Propoganda.You claim that if Gaza had  been peacefull Israel would never pullout...Do you watch the news man?- Do you know that it's been some time now since Israel pulled out of Gaza and Gaza is far from peacefull(without having anything to do with Israel's absence or presence) and  may I remind you that prior to the pullout Abu Mazen sent the Fatah to enforce the truce on "certain" groups that weren't in agreement with the Palestinian government to prevent any obstruction of the agreement with Israel.
The settlers had lived there for many years under heavy fire and as you know they didn't want to leave, the pullout was part of Sharon's plan to conduct a permanent peace treaty but Hamas would have you believe that the pullout became possible only thanks to the so called resistance...How conveniet especially when the elections in the autonomy aren't distant. If it wasn't for  Sharon's disengagement plan settlers would still be living there, regardless of the threatning condtions.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2005, 06:58:32 AM »
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"We cannot hold onto Gaza forever. More than a million Palestinians live there and they double their number with each generation," he said.

"They live in uniquely crowded conditions in refugee camps, in poverty and despair, in hotbeds of rising hatred with no hope on the horizon."
-ariel sharon

ok so the povety, refugees etc. are a direct result of israeli actions, they demolished homes and  farms took the best land and just left palestinians to their fait and their continuing anger was was the reason for withdrawal, if they just though fuck it thats ok then israelis would still be there today.

the west bank is bigger and has way more settlers (and is expanding these settlements!), if sharon really wanted peace he'd give up the west bank and east jureselum and move seperation barrier within israeli territory until that happens your give live next to some very angry palestinians.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2005, 10:26:01 AM »
Arafat was a fucktard, I'll give you that... but...

A supporter of the Israeli government has no room to talk about terrorism.... that's like Hitler supporters calling others anti-Semitic.

Israel >>> al-Qaeda

Im not a supporter Im an Israeli citizen...Buses have exploded near my home and Kassam missiles had been launched on my former school and you tell me I shouldn't talk about terrorism? ...You're just going around spreading ungrounded slogans with nothing but speculations and quotes from anti Israeli propoganda articles to back them up...I'm gonna come up with a slogan now:

If you don't support Israel> You support Terrorism.....*and unlike yours this one had been tested*
 
and here is one more(and this one also contains correlation to the first one):

Funding the Palestinian authority=subsidizing terrorism.

One day the world will know the truth but it's gonna be too late, if spetember 11th wasn't a wake up call for you people I doubt anything will help you realize the threat our world is facing, it's not Israel's problem alone- it's global...Look at Al Qaeda,Look at Jihad and Hamas, look at Chechnia, look at Iraq, look at Iran, examine Syria...You people like to apply your double standard way too often for your own good, these are not separate problems, these are elements of the same problem. Certain power structures realized that there is a very efficient way to impose their ways on the world and you people play into their hands with your ignorance.What can I say- GOOD LUCK, hope it works out for ya.

Propaganda? Our double standards? LOL you crack me up

Anyways... your country was founded on terrorism...

yeah Palestinians are blowing shit up, no denying that... but just because you guys are quick to consider that terrorism and your attacks counter-terrorism, doesn't mean it's true... they're not occupying your land, you're occupying theirs

Yeah look at al-Qaeda, Hamas, Iraq, Iran, etc... and look at what they're products of... (U.S., illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, U.S., U.S.)

Let's just compare a few situations and since you find it difficult to grasp simple concepts, I'll go nice and slow for you...
- Soviets occupy Afghanistan... Soviets are the aggressors. (Mujahideen did the exact same shit as the "insurgents"/"terrorists")
- U.S. occupies Iraq... Iraqis are insurgents.
- Israel occupies Palestine... Palestinians are terrorists.

The people who decide to call a wall 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall a fence, are talking about propaganda... LOLLLL.. seriously it's funny listening to you people


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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2005, 10:31:19 AM »
How many illegal settlements have Palestinians built on "your" land? How many of your homes have they bulldozed?

Let me guess... those things are just part of Palestinian propaganda, right?
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2005, 10:33:14 AM »
another thing look at south africa, nelson mandela was a terrorist there now hes seen as hero the world over......

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2005, 10:33:50 AM »
ha haha... palestinian propoganda lol
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2005, 12:22:59 PM »
Arafat was a fucktard, I'll give you that... but...

A supporter of the Israeli government has no room to talk about terrorism.... that's like Hitler supporters calling others anti-Semitic.

Israel >>> al-Qaeda

Im not a supporter Im an Israeli citizen...Buses have exploded near my home and Kassam missiles had been launched on my former school and you tell me I shouldn't talk about terrorism? ...You're just going around spreading ungrounded slogans with nothing but speculations and quotes from anti Israeli propoganda articles to back them up...I'm gonna come up with a slogan now:

If you don't support Israel> You support Terrorism.....*and unlike yours this one had been tested*
 
and here is one more(and this one also contains correlation to the first one):

Funding the Palestinian authority=subsidizing terrorism.

One day the world will know the truth but it's gonna be too late, if spetember 11th wasn't a wake up call for you people I doubt anything will help you realize the threat our world is facing, it's not Israel's problem alone- it's global...Look at Al Qaeda,Look at Jihad and Hamas, look at Chechnia, look at Iraq, look at Iran, examine Syria...You people like to apply your double standard way too often for your own good, these are not separate problems, these are elements of the same problem. Certain power structures realized that there is a very efficient way to impose their ways on the world and you people play into their hands with your ignorance.What can I say- GOOD LUCK, hope it works out for ya.

Propaganda? Our double standards? LOL you crack me up

Anyways... your country was founded on terrorism...

yeah Palestinians are blowing shit up, no denying that... but just because you guys are quick to consider that terrorism and your attacks counter-terrorism, doesn't mean it's true... they're not occupying your land, you're occupying theirs

Yeah look at al-Qaeda, Hamas, Iraq, Iran, etc... and look at what they're products of... (U.S., illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, U.S., U.S.)

Let's just compare a few situations and since you find it difficult to grasp simple concepts, I'll go nice and slow for you...
- Soviets occupy Afghanistan... Soviets are the aggressors. (Mujahideen did the exact same shit as the "insurgents"/"terrorists")
- U.S. occupies Iraq... Iraqis are insurgents.
- Israel occupies Palestine... Palestinians are terrorists.

The people who decide to call a wall 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall a fence, are talking about propaganda... LOLLLL.. seriously it's funny listening to you people




First of all terrorism is not something you can justefy based on a technicality....This is not about the definition of terrorism, I hope we all know how to define terrorism, the arguement is not about what classifies as terrorism or as counter terrorism- the debate is about right and wrong.

Unjustefiable Killing( Killing for anything other than instantaneous self protection or assassination of openly and knowingly active war criminals)=wrong

Anyone who had encouraged this^^ represents all that is wrong.

Now I might sound a little too incisive for some of you but the reallity is that Israel as a state and as an establishment had never-ever commited this crime,to say there were no accidents I simply can not, to say there wasn't occasional malpractice I also can not-for cases like these inquiries were conducted and people had been punished but one thing for sure: Israel had never formally called for the genocide of The Palestinian people....Now I ask you this- Can the other side say the same?

And that's all there is to it, the occupation claims are no longer valid gentlemen, They lost all credibility as soon as your former most eminent right winger Ariel Sharon decided to pullout of gaza in complete contradiction to his infamous ideologies.
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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2005, 12:59:55 PM »
right like they can make a state out of gaza?? its only 40km by 5km its fucking tiny, its barely even a pullout

israel may not call for the genocide of palestinians but have killed way more civillians than any 'terrorists' have

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2005, 01:50:15 PM »
And to think that about 50 years ago they thought Israel was too small to become a state....It's not about the size mate.
and as for those figures you're basing your srguement upon, can I have a link?
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2005, 02:18:19 PM »
yea and look how it grew.....

Intifada toll Sept 2000 - Sept 2005 
The five years of the Palestinian intifada have cost more than 4,000 lives. Btselem, an Israeli human rights group, has been tracking casualty figures on both sides.
Most of the statistics cover the period from 29 September 2000 to 15 September 2005.

PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS*
3,218 killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 657 aged under 18, 187 killed in extrajudicial executions and 296 (including at least 29 aged under 18) killed in the course of assassination operations.

56 killed by security forces in Israel
including one aged under 18

41 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza
including at least three aged under 18

*There are no figures to show the proportion of Palestinians who were combatants and those who were civilians.


ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS

444 civilians killed in Israel
including 80 aged under 18

223 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
including 37 aged under 18

221 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza

84 Israeli security forces killed in Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm
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Israeli soldiers reveal official “shoot to kill” policy towards Palestinian civilians
By Rick Kelly
15 September 2005
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/isra-s15.shtml

A number of Israeli soldiers have provided statements to the Guardian newspaper in Britain confirming the existence of a military policy of inflicting indiscriminate murders and reprisals against the Palestinian people.

The testimonies, published September 6, provide a damning insight into the brutal realities of the Israeli occupation, and again highlight the criminal character of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s government.

The troops contacted the newspaper through a support group for former soldiers, Shovrim Shtika (Breaking the Silence), and asked to be identified only by their first names due to fear of prosecution and persecution. Despite the significance of the Guardian’s report, the international media has largely ignored the story.

One soldier named Assaf entered the Gaza town of Dir al Balah with his armoured unit in the summer of 2002 and was ordered to “fire at anything that moved”. He told the Guardian that the orders were, “‘Every person you see on the street, kill him.’ And we would just do it.” Assaf described how he shot dead a young unarmed Palestinian man who was attempting to get away from an Israeli tank.

“The reason why I am telling you this is that I want the army to think about what they are asking us to do, shooting unarmed people,” he explained. “I don’t think it’s legal.”

Another soldier, Moshe, told how he was ordered to set up ambushes in Jenin, a West Bank refugee camp, in May 2003. There was “pressure to get kills,” he related. The troops were also ordered to wait for any children or teenagers to climb onto Israeli military vehicles before killing them. In one incident Moshe witnessed, a boy he thought to be aged between 8 and 12 was killed by an Israeli sniper.

The soldier explained how there was a general culture of impunity within his unit, including with regard to the killing of Palestinian children. The attitude was, “so kids get killed,” he said. “For a soldier it means nothing. An officer can get a 100 or 200 shekel [$US22 or $US44] fine for such a thing.”

A number of troops described how the orders they received were issued with the explicit intent of inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian people. In May 2004, Israeli forces launched an operation in southern Gaza that resulted in the expulsion of thousands of Palestinians from their homes, and the deaths of 50 Palestinians, up to half of whom were civilians (see: “Israel escalates war of terror in Gaza”).

Rafi, an officer in an elite unit connected to the air force, told how the entire mission was about revenge. “The commanders said kill as many people as possible,” he said.

Orders were also given to kill anyone seen on the rooftops of homes, irrespective of what they were doing or whether they were armed. Among the casualties were Asma Moghayyer, aged 16, and her brother Ahmed, 13, who were shot as they were collecting clothes from their rooftop washing line. Rafi described how his impression of the operation was “chaos” and the “indiscriminate use of force”. “Gaza was considered a playground for sharpshooters,” he said.

In other incidents, senior commanders covered up evidence of murder. Avi, a staff sergeant in the paratroopers, was serving in Hebron in October 2000, when one of his men shot Mansur Taha Ahmed, a 21-year-old unarmed Palestinian, in the back. Ahmed was married and had three children.

“We knew the man was crazy ... out of his mind,” Avi said, referring to the Israeli soldier who committed the shooting. Despite an Israeli video recording of the crime, the soldier was never prosecuted. “We keep our dirty laundry inside, so the company commander decided to silence the event,” Avi told the Guardian. “He made the [video] cassette vanish and the soldier had to do 35 days of chores ... after which he came back to the company.”


Further testimony

Other ex-soldiers spoke with Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio on September 5. Former platoon commander Yehuda Shaul described how he was ordered to fire grenades into the Palestinian Abu Sneineh residential neighbourhood in Hebron. “It’s not a game, it’s a grenade machine gun,” he said. “I did it every night for three... almost three months. Every night around 50 grenades inside a neighbourhood. That was my first experience in Hebron.”

Aharon Blemker served during Israel’s “Operation Defensive Shield” invasion of the West Bank three years ago. As well as explaining how snipers murdered unarmed civilians, the former staff sergeant told how soldiers engaged in petty theft. “After a while people start stealing things,” he said. “In the beginning it’s just souvenirs, it goes onto stealing cigarettes and then to stealing money. We never stopped to think about it. We never talked about is it wrong or not, we just did it, and people started after a while beating people up just for fun.”

The Israeli military has opened 17 separate investigations in response to the testimonies publicised by Breaking the Silence. Colonel Liron Libman, the chief military prosecutor, nevertheless sought to cast doubt on the evidence, claiming that initial enquiries found that some of the soldier’s statements were exaggerated and others reliant on hearsay. This assertion is contradicted by the fact that the incidents described by the dissenting troops have been corroborated by casualties recorded by human rights groups and the international media.

“Because of the nature of the situation, which we describe as armed conflict short of war,” Libman continued, “it is not possible to investigate the death of every Palestinian civilian.”

This callous statement is again indicative of the culture of impunity and lawlessness that has been promoted within the Israeli military, and more broadly within the Zionist state, towards the Palestinian people. While some of the military investigations may result in the prosecution of individual soldiers, such action will inevitably be aimed at scapegoating lower ranking troops, and obscuring the more far-reaching conclusions that must be drawn.

More than 3,200 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces since the beginning of the second intifada in September 2000; over half of these were civilians, and according to the Israeli peace group B’Tselem, 654 were minors. Any serious investigation into who bears responsibility for this terrible death toll would have to begin not with the Israeli soldiers involved, but with the Likud-Labour coalition government led by Sharon.

Sharon came to power promising a tough crackdown on the Palestinian people, following the eruption of the intifada sparked by his provocative visit to the Al Aqsa mosque. The Likud leader has based his entire political career on provocations and military repression in the territories under Israeli occupation, and his term in office has been marked by an unrelenting assault against the Palestinian people.

The abuses and crimes committed by Israeli troops on the ground are a direct consequence of the Sharon government’s policies of house demolitions, property seizures, assassination campaigns, mass arrests, repressive checkpoints and road closures, and settlement expansion in the Occupied Territories.

And while the Bush administration and Israel’s other international allies have celebrated the evacuation of the Zionist settlers from Gaza as representing a major step towards peace, Sharon’s “unilateral disengagement” manoeuvre has not in any way affected the bloody realities of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory.

On August 24, an undercover Israeli unit entered the West Bank town of Tulkarm and killed five Palestinians, including three teenage boys. Military spokesman later insisted that all five were “terrorists” who had resisted arrest. On September 7, Haaretz published the results of a joint investigation it conducted with B’Tselem. The newspaper found that the three teenagers were not members of any militant organisation, nor was one of the older men. The other man killed had been active in Islamic Jihad, but had reportedly left the organisation, and even turned himself in to the Palestinian Authority and slept at police stations for protection.

A number of witnesses contradicted Israeli claims that other militants in the area opened fire and threw Molotov cocktails. The five men had been sitting around an outdoor table in a largely enclosed courtyard. Witnesses reported seeing the Israeli troops open fire on the men before giving them a chance to surrender, and that several victims were subsequently shot at close range by soldiers “confirming” their kill. The military has denied these claims, but announced that an investigation into the incident will be held.

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iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2005, 08:10:20 PM »
Arafat was a fucktard, I'll give you that... but...

A supporter of the Israeli government has no room to talk about terrorism.... that's like Hitler supporters calling others anti-Semitic.

Israel >>> al-Qaeda

Im not a supporter Im an Israeli citizen...Buses have exploded near my home and Kassam missiles had been launched on my former school and you tell me I shouldn't talk about terrorism? ...You're just going around spreading ungrounded slogans with nothing but speculations and quotes from anti Israeli propoganda articles to back them up...I'm gonna come up with a slogan now:

If you don't support Israel> You support Terrorism.....*and unlike yours this one had been tested*
 
and here is one more(and this one also contains correlation to the first one):

Funding the Palestinian authority=subsidizing terrorism.

One day the world will know the truth but it's gonna be too late, if spetember 11th wasn't a wake up call for you people I doubt anything will help you realize the threat our world is facing, it's not Israel's problem alone- it's global...Look at Al Qaeda,Look at Jihad and Hamas, look at Chechnia, look at Iraq, look at Iran, examine Syria...You people like to apply your double standard way too often for your own good, these are not separate problems, these are elements of the same problem. Certain power structures realized that there is a very efficient way to impose their ways on the world and you people play into their hands with your ignorance.What can I say- GOOD LUCK, hope it works out for ya.

Propaganda? Our double standards? LOL you crack me up

Anyways... your country was founded on terrorism...

yeah Palestinians are blowing shit up, no denying that... but just because you guys are quick to consider that terrorism and your attacks counter-terrorism, doesn't mean it's true... they're not occupying your land, you're occupying theirs

Yeah look at al-Qaeda, Hamas, Iraq, Iran, etc... and look at what they're products of... (U.S., illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, U.S., U.S.)

Let's just compare a few situations and since you find it difficult to grasp simple concepts, I'll go nice and slow for you...
- Soviets occupy Afghanistan... Soviets are the aggressors. (Mujahideen did the exact same shit as the "insurgents"/"terrorists")
- U.S. occupies Iraq... Iraqis are insurgents.
- Israel occupies Palestine... Palestinians are terrorists.

The people who decide to call a wall 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall a fence, are talking about propaganda... LOLLLL.. seriously it's funny listening to you people




First of all terrorism is not something you can justefy based on a technicality....This is not about the definition of terrorism, I hope we all know how to define terrorism, the arguement is not about what classifies as terrorism or as counter terrorism- the debate is about right and wrong.

Even better... fuck definitions... just look at right and wrong... there is still an ILLEGAL occupation with ILLEGAL settlements in the West Bank, and the Palestinians have every right to drive out the occupation... self-determination. We won't even talk about how the state of Israel itself was established... what's taken is taken, but don't come with that right and wrong crap when you support a government that has over 60 UN resolutions against it...

Unjustefiable Killing( Killing for anything other than instantaneous self protection or assassination of openly and knowingly active war criminals)=wrong

Oh, you mean like bulldozing over peace activists.

Anyone who had encouraged this^^ represents all that is wrong.

Yeah bulldozing people is wrong, I agree... I wonder how you look at this... "she was in the way, it was an accident, etc"... all I can say is you're a fucking tool

Now I might sound a little too incisive for some of you but the reallity is that Israel as a state and as an establishment had never-ever commited this crime,to say there were no accidents I simply can not, to say there wasn't occasional malpractice I also can not-for cases like these inquiries were conducted and people had been punished but one thing for sure: Israel had never formally called for the genocide of The Palestinian people....Now I ask you this- Can the other side say the same?
Incisive? No. Full of shit? Yes.
Israel never committed this crime? LOL. You mean that the Israel government never bombed towns killing innocent women and children...? Collateral damage, right? And here you are talking about right and wrong.
Israel never formally called for the genocide... LOLLL NO SHIT! Are you that fucking retarded? Seriously, I don't even know what the fuck to say to this.... I feel like I'm talking to some retarded fruitcake with the -Stein suffix in his last name who thinks that just because he's living somewhere and has some Zionist broadcast feeding him his info, his word means more when the entire world knows what the fuck is going on.


And that's all there is to it, the occupation claims are no longer valid gentlemen, They lost all credibility as soon as your former most eminent right winger Ariel Sharon decided to pullout of gaza in complete contradiction to his infamous ideologies.
Occupation "claims"? LOLL ignoring the fact that these "claims" are still valid.... why the fuck do you call them "claims" when you know for damn well it's a fact.. ? What about the West Bank? Oh he contradicted his "kill all the Palestinians" ideology... wow you Israelis must be so mad. LOL
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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2005, 02:22:23 AM »
Arafat was a fucktard, I'll give you that... but...

A supporter of the Israeli government has no room to talk about terrorism.... that's like Hitler supporters calling others anti-Semitic.

Israel >>> al-Qaeda

Im not a supporter Im an Israeli citizen...Buses have exploded near my home and Kassam missiles had been launched on my former school and you tell me I shouldn't talk about terrorism? ...You're just going around spreading ungrounded slogans with nothing but speculations and quotes from anti Israeli propoganda articles to back them up...I'm gonna come up with a slogan now:

If you don't support Israel> You support Terrorism.....*and unlike yours this one had been tested*
 
and here is one more(and this one also contains correlation to the first one):

Funding the Palestinian authority=subsidizing terrorism.

One day the world will know the truth but it's gonna be too late, if spetember 11th wasn't a wake up call for you people I doubt anything will help you realize the threat our world is facing, it's not Israel's problem alone- it's global...Look at Al Qaeda,Look at Jihad and Hamas, look at Chechnia, look at Iraq, look at Iran, examine Syria...You people like to apply your double standard way too often for your own good, these are not separate problems, these are elements of the same problem. Certain power structures realized that there is a very efficient way to impose their ways on the world and you people play into their hands with your ignorance.What can I say- GOOD LUCK, hope it works out for ya.

Propaganda? Our double standards? LOL you crack me up

Anyways... your country was founded on terrorism...

yeah Palestinians are blowing shit up, no denying that... but just because you guys are quick to consider that terrorism and your attacks counter-terrorism, doesn't mean it's true... they're not occupying your land, you're occupying theirs

Yeah look at al-Qaeda, Hamas, Iraq, Iran, etc... and look at what they're products of... (U.S., illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine, U.S., U.S.)

Let's just compare a few situations and since you find it difficult to grasp simple concepts, I'll go nice and slow for you...
- Soviets occupy Afghanistan... Soviets are the aggressors. (Mujahideen did the exact same shit as the "insurgents"/"terrorists")
- U.S. occupies Iraq... Iraqis are insurgents.
- Israel occupies Palestine... Palestinians are terrorists.

The people who decide to call a wall 30 times larger than the Berlin Wall a fence, are talking about propaganda... LOLLLL.. seriously it's funny listening to you people




First of all terrorism is not something you can justefy based on a technicality....This is not about the definition of terrorism, I hope we all know how to define terrorism, the arguement is not about what classifies as terrorism or as counter terrorism- the debate is about right and wrong.

Even better... fuck definitions... just look at right and wrong... there is still an ILLEGAL occupation with ILLEGAL settlements in the West Bank, and the Palestinians have every right to drive out the occupation... self-determination. We won't even talk about how the state of Israel itself was established... what's taken is taken, but don't come with that right and wrong crap when you support a government that has over 60 UN resolutions against it...

Unjustefiable Killing( Killing for anything other than instantaneous self protection or assassination of openly and knowingly active war criminals)=wrong

Oh, you mean like bulldozing over peace activists.

Anyone who had encouraged this^^ represents all that is wrong.

Yeah bulldozing people is wrong, I agree... I wonder how you look at this... "she was in the way, it was an accident, etc"... all I can say is you're a fucking tool

Now I might sound a little too incisive for some of you but the reallity is that Israel as a state and as an establishment had never-ever commited this crime,to say there were no accidents I simply can not, to say there wasn't occasional malpractice I also can not-for cases like these inquiries were conducted and people had been punished but one thing for sure: Israel had never formally called for the genocide of The Palestinian people....Now I ask you this- Can the other side say the same?
Incisive? No. Full of shit? Yes.
Israel never committed this crime? LOL. You mean that the Israel government never bombed towns killing innocent women and children...? Collateral damage, right? And here you are talking about right and wrong.
Israel never formally called for the genocide... LOLLL NO SHIT! Are you that fucking retarded? Seriously, I don't even know what the fuck to say to this.... I feel like I'm talking to some retarded fruitcake with the -Stein suffix in his last name who thinks that just because he's living somewhere and has some Zionist broadcast feeding him his info, his word means more when the entire world knows what the fuck is going on.


And that's all there is to it, the occupation claims are no longer valid gentlemen, They lost all credibility as soon as your former most eminent right winger Ariel Sharon decided to pullout of gaza in complete contradiction to his infamous ideologies.
Occupation "claims"? LOLL ignoring the fact that these "claims" are still valid.... why the fuck do you call them "claims" when you know for damn well it's a fact.. ? What about the West Bank? Oh he contradicted his "kill all the Palestinians" ideology... wow you Israelis must be so mad. LOL

You keep spinning around your own tail man!Your statement is a complete tautology!It's as if you said nothing at all! I never said innocent people weren't killed, never denied this, what's the point of stating it again??
What I did say however was that Israel never commited such acts INTENTIONALLY-accidents may have occured and people may have died but sometimes to CATCH THE SNAKE you need to CUT THROUGH THE GRASS- A war is a war and those terrorists know exactly where to hide so even if they do get killed they take the entire building with them. If the Palestinian Authority was to disable these murderers within itself Israel would never have to do it but it seems like the Palestinian government gains something from these accidents and something very valuable at that for those who don't know- that is BETTER PRESS.The Palestinian Leadership knowes very well that Israel can't localize it's foiling operations to the extent innocents won't get hurt . They sacrifice the lives of their citizens intentionally for better P.R to contribute more to the demonization of Israel and to switch the public opinion in the world to their side for faster promotion of their interests and it seems to us like their succeeding.In the meantime missiles are being launched and terrorists are blowing up buses- here you have something malicious.
One more thing kid, what does a Stein suffix have to do anything with the issue?- You're starting to sound like some Nazi...When there's nothing more valid to say you resort to rasial remarks?-I'm disapointed.

Land that was conquered by Israel(after atacks that weren't initiated by Israel) and had been returned throughout the years didn't teach you anything yet?? Israel gave up Sinai once to found peace with Egypt,Israel started Oslo hoping for peace  , Israel withdrew from Lebanon for nothing in return- except for a better hope for peace- Edhud Barak was planing even further reaching steps untill Arafat decided to bail out of the Camp David agreement, Israel withdrew from Gaza>Israel has no territorial ambition whatsoever except for the basic condition of it's existence not being put in question. The so called occupation
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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2005, 11:10:44 AM »
the guilty soldeir was an israeli arab



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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2005, 02:51:02 PM »
doesn't explain why he was never disciplined for his unprovoked attack against a white flag waving british journalist, israeli army is fucked up man. why do u think they were so ancious to stop the jenin investigation after both the pm and his deputry had approved it...israeli army don't comply with international law
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iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Arafat Death Probe Inconclusive
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2005, 03:51:56 PM »
doesn't explain why he was never disciplined for his unprovoked attack against a white flag waving british journalist, israeli army is fucked up man. why do u think they were so ancious to stop the jenin investigation after both the pm and his deputry had approved it...israeli army don't comply with international law

Man, have u been a part of that army? How come you know so well what the IDF complies to?-I've served in the IDF for 3 years and I know what it stands for, it's rules and it's moral code and believe me when I tell you that your claim is preposterous . What you're saying is argumentative-you didn't witness the occurrence in first person, you don't know what the exact circumstances were, not even if there were fragments cought on tape. There's a great deal of coercion in the battle field, at times the presence of civilians in the battle field can be a great obstruction to the active forces, many times members of the press do not comply to basic safety regulations while chasing a story or a scoop, do you know why similar accidents are relatively rare with the Israeli press?- Because they are more experienced in field coverage, they know where it's safe to be at a given time, same goes for most of the reporters from the Arab world, somehow most of these accidents happen to Europeans.
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