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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2005, 01:55:54 PM »
Nobody wants an immediate withdrawal.  John Mertha's plan has been labaled by members of the same party and opposing party as a "cut and run" type of strategy but it is nothing like that.  The plan is to speed up the training of the Iraqi army, police etc,  move the troops from Iraq to surround nations, and see how things work out during this time period.  If things calm down, then troops will start heading home.  If things are still hectic the U.S will step back in.  The U.S eventually are going to have to withdraw from Iraq and see how the Iraqi people will govern themselves.  Are the targets right now the american soldiers? or the democracy that is being put in ?  If it's option 2 then it's going to be an endless war that will kill thousands and thousands of american soldiers for the sole reason to take out a form of government and implement another. 
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2005, 02:09:29 PM »
The US will withdraw at the end ,After Every Drop of oil is drained.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2005, 02:39:20 PM »
I think we should.....we are about to experience a modern day depression in a minute.  How are we gonna go to someone else's soil tell them what to do and how they should do it when our own gov't is shady.  Besides we don't want another country to be more powerful than we are, right!!
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2005, 05:36:57 PM »
I can't believe they labeled murtha to be a coward type.  Here's the thing..if we withdraw from iraq, how can it really be bad for u.s.?  However, yeah.they should train those newly soldiers to defend their own country..but damn..they need to speed up.  Have thousand soldiers come back home every month.  They should set those damn time table.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2005, 05:38:43 PM »
I can't believe they labeled murtha to be a coward type.

That was just pathetic.  If Karl Rove was a Dem...there would have been a fucking Happy Meal after the situation
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2005, 05:43:30 PM »

the problem is the muslims have their own factions in iraq.. they're fighting for control...



Exactly. Regardless of the US presence.
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2005, 05:58:34 PM »
some really stupid posts in this thread


"if we withdraw the terrorists will kill us"

fuckin read a book u dumb rednecks
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2005, 06:30:34 PM »


my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2005, 08:13:12 PM »
^ CWalker in a nutshell
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2005, 04:21:28 PM »
*Props Jamal*

...and by the way, America started it, no doubt, America has been involved in Middle Eastern affairs since the 50's.  They realized after World War 2 just how vital a resource oil really was, and Eisenhower's administration said America must get their hands on Middle Eastern oil even if that meant fighting for it.  One of the first moves was in 1953 when the CIA helped overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran, Muhammad Mosedegh, and installed their puppet dictator the Shah, to facilitate their oil interests in the region.  It's been on ever since.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2005, 05:08:15 PM »
Okay then why doesn't Al-Queda target government facilities? They kill civilians who have no control over what the hell happens. I didn't do anything to them, why am I cannon fodder?
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2005, 05:16:48 PM »
Okay then why doesn't Al-Queda target government facilities? They kill civilians who have no control over what the hell happens. I didn't do anything to them, why am I cannon fodder?

Man... I don't even know what your talking about, but I'm going to be patient with you, because my own family members (my side of the family) think just like you do, and I have to be patient with them. 

First things first, your life is not in danger.  If you choose to live your whole life in fear than that's your own fault.  There's only been one attack in America, 9-11.  And the targets were the Pentagon, which is a clear attack on the government as the Pentagon is a headquarters for the US Military, and the World Trade Center, which is the headquarters for America's foriegn economic affairs, and most wars today aren't fought on the battle field, they are fought through economics, sanctions, embargo's, there's people powerful enough to press one button and starve a whole village of people. 

Second of all, don't believe everything you read in the media.  It doesn't take much intelligence to know that the same rich and powerful people that own the media are the same rich and powerful people that also control much of the government and the media, and it's all related.  So alot of this Al Queda wants to blow up the world stuff you believe is just good old fashioned scare tactics and fear mongering that is used to rally people to war.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2005, 05:20:14 PM »
Because Al Queda hates our freedom, jk.   Innocent people are bound to be lost as part of any attack, how many innocent sand people u think are losing their lives during our bombings?
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2005, 05:44:34 PM »
Okay then why doesn't Al-Queda target government facilities? They kill civilians who have no control over what the hell happens. I didn't do anything to them, why am I cannon fodder?

Man... I don't even know what your talking about, but I'm going to be patient with you, because my own family members (my side of the family) think just like you do, and I have to be patient with them. 

First things first, your life is not in danger.  If you choose to live your whole life in fear than that's your own fault.  There's only been one attack in America, 9-11.  And the targets were the Pentagon, which is a clear attack on the government as the Pentagon is a headquarters for the US Military, and the World Trade Center, which is the headquarters for America's foriegn economic affairs, and most wars today aren't fought on the battle field, they are fought through economics, sanctions, embargo's, there's people powerful enough to press one button and starve a whole village of people. 

Second of all, don't believe everything you read in the media.  It doesn't take much intelligence to know that the same rich and powerful people that own the media are the same rich and powerful people that also control much of the government and the media, and it's all related.  So alot of this Al Queda wants to blow up the world stuff you believe is just good old fashioned scare tactics and fear mongering that is used to rally people to war.

There has been one attack on American soil and I hope it stays that way. However, there have been numerous attacks in other western countries where bombs have gone off on trains and in buses killing many civilians deliberatly. Don't tell me that terrorists have not killed civilians. I DON'T WATCH THE NEWS so save that media fear mongering crap for someone else.

Because Al Queda hates our freedom, jk. Innocent people are bound to be lost as part of any attack, how many innocent sand people u think are losing their lives during our bombings?

You were just kidding, but I wouldn't too far past them. It's not probable that they are doing it for that reason, but we have a different lifestyle here that let's women vote and be heard and where fidelity isn't really high up on the list of morals.

It is unfortunate that innocent Muslims are dying by US bombs, and most Muslims are good people, but casulties happen. The bombs didn't start dropping until terrorist attacks started happening. Like I said before, the bombs would stop dropping if they would just calm down and let the US clean up their mess and leave. I'm sure everyone would prefer that.
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2005, 05:47:13 PM »




That is a stupid cartoon. Do you really know any Americans who want death for all Arabs?

It is the people in the Middle East who go to their mosques shouting "Death to America", calling us the great Satan, burn our flags etc. Americans don't do shit like that to them.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2005, 05:53:01 PM »

Man, turn off your television and use your brain.  It's precisely because of US military involvement and occupation in Iraq that there are attacks, not the other way around.  You got it backwards.

Man you need to close your Koran and wake the hell up. The attacks in Iraq aren't just against American forces. The terrorists are bombing Iraqi police, Iraqi politicians, Shiite mosques, etc. That won't step when America leaves.
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2005, 05:56:34 PM »
stupid dumb fucks blaming the US, was Iraq peaceful before we were there? uhh....NO, Shiite and Suni's were killing eachother before we started.
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2005, 06:03:18 PM »
Hey, I was wondering.  If U.S. are training these troops and these iraq soldiers gets killed before they are fully prepared..would that mean..U.S. have to be there and find more people and train them?
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2005, 06:07:49 PM »
Naw man, they have enough troops  at this point where US influence is less needed. In fact forces are about to enter the second phase of the invasion which calls for the beginning of US withdrawl, and Iraqi troops stepping in permanently. Of course, it all depends on Iraqi competency. If they can get their shit together, then we can leave.
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2005, 06:16:21 PM »
Naw man, they have enough troops  at this point where US influence is less needed. In fact forces are about to enter the second phase of the invasion which calls for the beginning of US withdrawl, and Iraqi troops stepping in permanently. Of course, it all depends on Iraqi competency. If they can get their shit together, then we can leave.
oh ok..i see.  But still..we gotta babysit these guys though, right?  I mean..at least..till they are some-what ready, right? 
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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2005, 06:20:16 PM »
Yeah, if you've ever seen that Bhorat skit on the Ali G show, you know how uncoordinated and akward these fucks are. it's gonna be a process.
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2005, 06:30:16 PM »
Yeah, if you've ever seen that Bhorat skit on the Ali G show, you know how uncoordinated and akward these fucks are. it's gonna be a process.
damn...arite..thx
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2005, 08:33:33 PM »

Man, turn off your television and use your brain.  It's precisely because of US military involvement and occupation in Iraq that there are attacks, not the other way around.  You got it backwards.

Man you need to close your Koran and wake the hell up. The attacks in Iraq aren't just against American forces. The terrorists are bombing Iraqi police, Iraqi politicians, Shiite mosques, etc. That won't step when America leaves.

Don't start with me.  Stay in your place.  The US military is trying to get Iraqi police officers to fight the for them, and do their dirty work.  So that they can be the one's gettin capped, while the US sits back and controls the situation from the Green Zone, all the while, collecting fat checks off of Iraq's oil wealth.  You know that, and I know that.  So there are Iraqi's who are willing to fight their own people to get a few dollars from the US Occupation forces, so obviously these Iraqi's are going to be viewed as hypocrites by the resistance fighters and they are going to end gettin a cap in their ass. 

This is simple.  Don't act stupid.  I know your not stupid.  Your just a scared little boy, either that or a racist white supremist.  One of the two.  At the very best, your a nationalist.  I'll give you that.  But if we are viewing the situation from a global perspective then you know America is the aggressor. 
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