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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2005, 08:36:40 PM »
I know your not stupid.

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2005, 08:46:10 PM »
I know your not stupid.

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Yes and no.  He is the best at articulating the Right Wing/Republican/Conservative/Zionist Christian point of view on this forum, so that has to count for something.  Obviously he lacks maturity, emotional, human, and social intelligence, and he is very ignorant and selfish when it comes to people of other cultures and countries.  But, let's give him that, he is better than any of the other guys at articulating his point of view. For one thing, he is very upfront, give him that.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2005, 09:25:11 PM »

Don't start with me.  Stay in your place.  The US military is trying to get Iraqi police officers to fight the for them, and do their dirty work.  So that they can be the one's gettin capped, while the US sits back and controls the situation from the Green Zone, all the while, collecting fat checks off of Iraq's oil wealth.  You know that, and I know that.  So there are Iraqi's who are willing to fight their own people to get a few dollars from the US Occupation forces, so obviously these Iraqi's are going to be viewed as hypocrites by the resistance fighters and they are going to end gettin a cap in their ass. 

This is simple.  Don't act stupid.  I know your not stupid.  Your just a scared little boy, either that or a racist white supremist.  One of the two.  At the very best, your a nationalist.  I'll give you that.  But if we are viewing the situation from a global perspective then you know America is the aggressor. 

You glossed over one important part of what I said.

The insurgents, terrorists, whatever you want to call them....they are trying to cause a civil war in Iraq between the Shiites and Sunnis. That is why the Sunnis keep bombing and attacking Shiite mosques and killings tons of innocent people. They are mad because the Shiites have gained power in the new government. That hostility will not disappear when the Americans leave.

Please educate yourself. And take that photo of that murderer out of your profile while you are at it.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2005, 04:55:55 AM »


You glossed over one important part of what I said.

The insurgents, terrorists, whatever you want to call them....they are trying to cause a civil war in Iraq between the Shiites and Sunnis. That is why the Sunnis keep bombing and attacking Shiite mosques and killings tons of innocent people. They are mad because the Shiites have gained power in the new government. That hostility will not disappear when the Americans leave.

Please educate yourself. And take that photo of that murderer out of your profile while you are at it.

You really fall for that?  America claiming that they are really in Iraq because they are trying to prevent a civil war between Shiites and Sunni's from happening?  You really believe that that's their reason for being there.  Come on man.  Atleast admit that that's nothing but political game. 

America wants a civil war to occur in Iraq.  Like I said before, they want to get the Iraqi's killing eachother, take the focus off the American troops and justify their reason for being there at the same time, meanwhile they can chill at the American embassy and keep collecting oil wealth, etc.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2005, 05:32:41 AM »

Don't start with me.  Stay in your place.  The US military is trying to get Iraqi police officers to fight the for them, and do their dirty work.  So that they can be the one's gettin capped, while the US sits back and controls the situation from the Green Zone, all the while, collecting fat checks off of Iraq's oil wealth.  You know that, and I know that.  So there are Iraqi's who are willing to fight their own people to get a few dollars from the US Occupation forces, so obviously these Iraqi's are going to be viewed as hypocrites by the resistance fighters and they are going to end gettin a cap in their ass. 

This is simple.  Don't act stupid.  I know your not stupid.  Your just a scared little boy, either that or a racist white supremist.  One of the two.  At the very best, your a nationalist.  I'll give you that.  But if we are viewing the situation from a global perspective then you know America is the aggressor. 

You glossed over one important part of what I said.

The insurgents, terrorists, whatever you want to call them....they are trying to cause a civil war in Iraq between the Shiites and Sunnis. That is why the Sunnis keep bombing and attacking Shiite mosques and killings tons of innocent people. They are mad because the Shiites have gained power in the new government. That hostility will not disappear when the Americans leave.

Please educate yourself. And take that photo of that murderer out of your profile while you are at it.
For the first the insurgents are 90 to 95 percent iraqis and the rest are foreign fighters that are making the more "spectacular" attacks like suicid bombings and kidnappings etc. How would you feel if somebody invaded your country? wouldn't you resist?? And thanks to the american invasion the first people that lived in iraq the christian assyrians are almost totally extinct..Atleast during Saddam Hussein they had security and they where even part of the goverment. But this is a war for oil and for the americans to get control over the middle east, not for liberating a people
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2005, 05:40:47 AM »
this topic has been taken off course.

the discussion about muslims wanting to run a country through terror blowing up the other muslims trying to stabilise their country thorugh some kind of cooperation and control (i.e. claw back control from the americans if you want to look at it like that) belongs elsewhere.

the question was.. should america just drop _everything_ and leave it as a civil war zone with no established government in power...  ?

in my view i've stated.. the answer is they wont.. because terrorist muslm factions (who couldnt get enough votes?) are trying to bully their agenda through violence instead of following a diplomatic course that of course most muslims dont understand. IMO they're used to control through fear.. so they're trying to make themselves the feared entity.

 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2005, 11:04:45 AM »
instead of following a diplomatic course that of course most muslims dont understand.

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2005, 12:09:33 PM »
Stepped-up attacks in Iraq over the past two days have killed at least 44 Iraqis, including 12 labourers, five of them brothers, who were shot and killed at a construction site.


In addition, the bodies of eight Iraqis who apparently were abducted and killed in captivity, were found in the capital on Monday, police said.

Monday's worst attack occurred in the Saydiya area of southwestern Baghdad when armed men opened fire at two civilian cars, killing three of the municipal workers they were carrying and an Iraqi passerby, said police Captain Talib Thamir.

A car bomber killed two Iraqis and wounded five in an attack on a police patrol in the northeastern neighbourhood of al-Shaab, where fighters had seized and murdered a defence lawyer in Saddam Hussein's trial last week, said police Lieutenant Malik Sultan.

Armed men opened fire on an Iraqi army checkpoint in western Baghdad, killing a soldier and a girl who was standing in front of her nearby house, said police.

In two other attacks in the capital, a drive-by shooting killed one policeman, and two others were wounded by a roadside bomb, the authorities said.

Kurdish politician wounded

In Kirkuk, 290km north of Baghdad, a roadside bomb exploded at 8.30am (0500 GMT) near a car carrying Ibrahim Zangana, a senior member of Iraq's Kurdish Democratic Party, seriously wounding him, killing one of his bodyguards and injuring another one, said Brigadier-General Sarhat Qadir, the commander of Kirkuk's police force.

Another drive-by shooting, this one in Mosul, 360km northwest of Baghdad, killed a policeman. On Sunday, more than 33 Iraqis died in a swell of violence in Iraq, including 12 labourers, five of them brothers, who were shot dead by armed men at a construction site outside the city of Hilla, about 95km south of Baghdad, police said.

The corpses of eight Iraqis, five men and three women, also were found in three different areas of Baghdad on Monday morning, police said.

All of them apparently had been abducted and tied up or handcuffed before being shot to death.


That a day ,in no way has america improved the situation in iraq.Non of these attacks would happen if US OCCUPATION didn't start

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2005, 01:04:11 PM »
I have this utopian vision as for the U.S moving onto the next autocracy in the middle east untill its leadership is defused and so on and so on untill every middle eastern dictatorship can establish a democratic foundation so there will be no shift of resources by these oil drenched indefinite power possessing dictators to all kinds of terrorist groups who undermine world peace with their Jihad agendas.


p.s Well we all know it's quite unrealistic since there are factors(states to be exact) in the western world that are interested in instability due to financial considerations.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2005, 02:51:01 PM »
I have this utopian vision as for the U.S moving onto the next autocracy in the middle east untill its leadership is defused and so on and so on untill every middle eastern dictatorship can establish a democratic foundation so there will be no shift of resources by these oil drenched indefinite power possessing dictators to all kinds of terrorist groups who undermine world peace with their Jihad agendas.


p.s Well we all know it's quite unrealistic since there are factors(states to be exact) in the western world that are interested in instability due to financial considerations.
Well easy for u to say,this would really be a big fuck up,know ,it's only desperate people would blow themselves up,if the whole middleast is invaded u will have 250 mill people who are ready to die for thier countries.


can establish a democratic foundation -----up ur ass,u isrealis only want ur promised land (from egypt to iraq) and u don't give a damn how many people die.
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2005, 01:43:40 AM »
I have this utopian vision as for the U.S moving onto the next autocracy in the middle east untill its leadership is defused and so on and so on untill every middle eastern dictatorship can establish a democratic foundation so there will be no shift of resources by these oil drenched indefinite power possessing dictators to all kinds of terrorist groups who undermine world peace with their Jihad agendas.


p.s Well we all know it's quite unrealistic since there are factors(states to be exact) in the western world that are interested in instability due to financial considerations.
Well easy for u to say,this would really be a big fuck up,know ,it's only desperate people would blow themselves up,if the whole middleast is invaded u will have 250 mill people who are ready to die for thier countries.


can establish a democratic foundation -----up ur ass,u isrealis only want ur promised land (from egypt to iraq) and u don't give a damn how many people die.

This is what you don't get my friend there is no such thing as 250 mill people who are ready to die for their country there are many people who die within their country due to their inhumane autocratic corrupt power-driven leaderships and there is a small percentage of brainwashed people that comply to terrorist groups (sponsored by these same leaderships) whose main intension is to produce the fear you've got rooted in you,through these gigantic terrorist acts(in proportion, it takes very little to blow up even the biggest building), this delusion you have, about these millions of "blindly patriotic" people who are 100% fond of what their evil dictator is doing,it is ridiculous(but then again many people are suffering from the same delusion)- WAKE UP, far from every Muslim is a radical fundamentalist, I guess you should know this :).
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2005, 02:02:09 AM »
there are many people who die within their country due to their inhumane autocratic corrupt power-driven leaderships

Yes that's true, but don't forget to mention the people dying because some terrorist state being formed on their land. You should know, you live there.
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« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2005, 02:26:19 AM »
instead of following a diplomatic course that of course most muslims dont understand.

 ???

the population of iraq doesnt get democracy.. they have been brought up under fear.. their view of people with "power" is that they beat and mistreat the proletariat.  they're used to being ruled with an iron fist, not through ruling themselves..

left to themselves i'm sure after a long brutal war between the groups there one would gain control.
 

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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2005, 02:46:43 AM »
there are many people who die within their country due to their inhumane autocratic corrupt power-driven leaderships

Yes that's true, but don't forget to mention the people dying because some terrorist state being formed on their land. You should know, you live there.

Not really the topic but ok. Is it a terrorist state because it is defending its existence? Is it a terrorist state for trying to defend its citizens from being murdered?
under which circumstances did it capture land since the dawn of its formal existence?
How many of its citizens were killed under the supervision of its own authorities? what terrorist state are you talking about? One that is currently "being formed"?
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« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2005, 02:54:57 AM »
there are many people who die within their country due to their inhumane autocratic corrupt power-driven leaderships

Yes that's true, but don't forget to mention the people dying because some terrorist state being formed on their land. You should know, you live there.

Not really the topic but ok. Is it a terrorist state because it is defending its existence? Is it a terrorist state for trying to defend its citizens from being murdered?
under which circumstances did it capture land since the dawn of its formal existence?
How many of its citizens were killed under the supervision of its own authorities? what terrorist state are you talking about? One that is currently "being formed"?


Defending its citizens and its existence by shooting 3-10 year old girls? Occupied territories? Let's not ask how many of its own citizens it has killed, but rather how many Palestinians? I'm talking about the state of Israel, of course.
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« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2005, 03:05:40 AM »
I can see your next post:

"Why do you REFUSE to look at the number of Palestinians that have died as a result of their own leadership? You're a victim to Palestinian propaganda and you're anti-Semitic. I don't care about facts."

LOL.. save it for someone else.

I have already stated that Palestinian leadership has at times failed its own people, but the fact that you're dumb too see that they have also been victims of Zionism to a far greater extent is astounding.

Let me ask you something...  "A land without people for a people without land"...
Propaganda or no?




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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2005, 03:38:01 AM »
I can see your next post:

"Why do you REFUSE to look at the number of Palestinians that have died as a result of their own leadership? You're a victim to Palestinian propaganda and you're anti-Semitic. I don't care about facts."

LOL.. save it for someone else.

I have already stated that Palestinian leadership has at times failed its own people, but the fact that you're dumb too see that they have also been victims of Zionism to a far greater extent is astounding.

Let me ask you something...  "A land without people for a people without land"...
Propaganda or no?






"A land without people"->inaccuracy since there WERE people on this land, as there were on most lands, but they weren't A PEOPLE, up untill they were manipulated into an elaborate political scheme pioneered by totalitarian Arab interests to unify their territories into a form of "United (totalitarian) Arab Empire" free of obstructions.
"people without land"->True up until 1948.

Herzel had never really been to Eretz Yisrael so I'm not surprised he wasn't very familiar with the demography but Jabotinsky strove to reach an agreement with the 'indigenous' population. It is interesting how you are much more fixated on Herzel's utopian statements rather than on the statements of Zionist activists who were in fact responsible for the physical creation of Israel.

If you choose to classify it as propaganda then it is very poor at that since the people who were suppose to be influenced by it did the exact opposite.
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« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2005, 03:44:19 AM »
You summed up Israel's and the Zionists' propaganda in one word: INACCURACY.

Good job, you have finally learned something.
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« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2005, 04:42:45 AM »
You summed up Israel's and the Zionists' propaganda in one word: INACCURACY.

Good job, you have finally learned something.

Well yea, in fact I have, I've learned you reckon Theodore Herzel to be a propaganda mogul while disregarding the term Palestinian propaganda(as if it didn't exist).

How could he have promoted anti-Palestinian propaganda when at his time Palestinians didn't even exist? lol guy honestly thought this land was empty of inhabitants....
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Re: You agree or disagree with withdrawal from iraq?
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2005, 06:58:35 AM »
how can u say palestinians didn't exist when the country was called palestine just because it was ruled by other countries doesn;t mean it wasn't the rightful land of the inhabitants.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2005, 08:11:15 AM »
instead of following a diplomatic course that of course most muslims dont understand.

 ???

the population of iraq doesnt get democracy.. they have been brought up under fear.. their view of people with "power" is that they beat and mistreat the proletariat.  they're used to being ruled with an iron fist, not through ruling themselves..

left to themselves i'm sure after a long brutal war between the groups there one would gain control.


re: iraq ure right, but u mentioned muslims as a whole, and u did so in a very polemic manner, meaning u are not providing a greater context to that statement. rather generalizing dont u think?
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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2005, 08:53:36 AM »
WAKE UP, far from every Muslim is a radical fundamentalist

,so if someone is not a muslim,that means he won't fight against an occupation to his country.
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« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2005, 08:55:42 AM »
how can u say palestinians didn't exist when the country was called palestine just because it was ruled by other countries doesn;t mean it wasn't the rightful land of the inhabitants.

Again you're having trouble with the order of events. The land was not named after the Palestinians, the Palestinians were named after the land(The term 'Palestinian' was coined based on the name of the land to psychologically link an arbitrary group of people to this land) and I wonder how you can even argue on the issue of entitlement to the land without knowing such basic facts.


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The term “Palestine” is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were regained. Three years later, Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the Land of Israel. The Arabic word “Filastin” is derived from this Latin name.
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« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2005, 09:10:44 AM »
WAKE UP, far from every Muslim is a radical fundamentalist

,so if someone is not a muslim,that means he won't fight against an occupation to his country.

Occupation? Wouldn't you define their current lives as lives under occupation?- well it's not an occupation by an outsider but an occupation indeed and more importantly from within their country by their autocratic governmental establishment. If anything, such "occupation"  would only free them from the binds of their confined being.
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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2005, 03:19:58 PM »
If anything, such "occupation"  would only free them from the binds of their confined being.

Easy for you to say. After all, you live in a country that is currently occupying the land of other people, so we can see where you get this positive outlook on occupation from.
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