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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2005, 04:43:59 PM »
Because the Saudi Arabian government is fucked up.
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2005, 05:10:48 PM »
I know i should blame Saudi Arabian Government, but it's so easy for ignorant people to blame muslims in general. It's so dangerous. Just show a service about this teacher's condamn to our TV News, here, and common people will react like: "Damn muslims! They're animals! Why do we let them do whatever they want here? Let's close mosquees!! Fuck them all!". 100% guaranteed. You real muslims should do something to avaid that. And the first step is to take distances from Government like the Saudi Arabian one.
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2005, 10:03:54 PM »
Antonio, I feel where your coming from, keep it real.  I don't really know a whole lot about all the things your talking about.  I don't want to say anything I'll regret, so let me leave it at that for now.  Peace.
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2005, 10:22:56 PM »
Rather than me speaking on something I don't know alot about, let me just post an English translation of what Allah has said in the Noble Qu'ran regarding religious tolerance, then comment on it.   I'd like to here your reply to these verses.

2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: [/i]

^^^This is proof from the Qu'ran that nobody should be forced into believing something against there will.

10:19 Mankind was but one nation, but differed (later). Had it not been for a word that went forth before from thy Lord, their differences would have been settled between them. [/i]

^^This basically explains that Allah desired for there to be differences amongst his creation.

73:19 Verily this is an Admonition: therefore, whoso will, let him take a (straight) path to his Lord![/i]

^^This is basically saying you can believe if you want.

74:37 To any of you that chooses to press forward, or to follow behind;-  [/i]

^^Allah ofcourse puts submission to his will, in the forefront, you can only expect that, but he also gives an outlet for those who don't want to press forward.  Because in Islam there is freedom of choice.

10: 99 "Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed.[/i]

^^Once again, Allah did not intend on everybody believing, Allah made us a people with differences.

49:13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other).  Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. and Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
 
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^^^Once again Allah is advocating a pluralistic society.

2:2 This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.  2:3 Who believe in the Unseen...[/i]

^^^This is how the Qu'ran opens up, telling the reader that it's a book for people who believe in the Unseen.  Meaning it's not for people who worship what they see or hear in this world but for people who worship the Unseen Creator, Most High, who Created everything we see and hear in this earth.


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so what are your thoughts on the above verses?
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2005, 03:12:35 AM »
so what are your thoughts on the above verses?

I'm extremely happy to read it. I knew it. That's why i don't think we should make a Christians vs Muslims war. But I was thinking.. i'm a Roman Catholic Christian, the religion of the Pope of Rome. We have separated ourselves from the other branches of Christianity who was born after the original one (i mean we've never accepted them). There's a strong separation between "us" and the other people who still consider themselves Christians. Why don't you do something similiar with other people who claim to represent the same religion you do? Why did you call them people in Saudi Arabia "muslims"? Matter of fact they're representing a religion different from your. You should separate yourself from them fakers.
 

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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2005, 05:12:34 AM »
Antonio, do you feel what I'm saying?  I'm not trying to be pedantic, I'm pointing out that the example you showed me represents internal issue within the Muslim community.  It deals with the Saudi's reaction to what they deamed heretical teaching by another Muslim. Which is a different subject.

That's exactly the point, man. I live in Italy. Well, it doesn't matter Christians are in overwhelming majorit here: Italy is still considered a non-religious Country by our Constitution, and everybody is allowed to follow and preach his favourite religion, with no limitations and with nobody forcing other people to preach a particular religion. At school, kids can choose if they want to partecipate to (Christian) lessons of religion or not. And they can partecipate to Islam lessions too, if they ask it. Here in Italy they've made a law so they had to remove all the Crucifixes from our public places (included schools) to respect people who ain't Christians. Here there are a lot of mosquees, expecially in Rome, basically where the Pope lives. There are 8 huge mosquees in Rome. And about 150 other mosquees all over our Country. You know what i mean? Why do you still consider Saudi Arabia a muslim nation? Religion should have nothing to do with the organization of a Country. I mean it's not acceptable for me to believe here in Italy, in the Country where the Pope lives, we are so "liberal", and there you can't be like us. Why? Why can't we have Christian Churches there? Why can't a teacher talk about Jesus Christ at school?
the vatican is very powerful in itally and can operate great deal of censorship to stop things they deem damaging to their religion for example getting il caso calvi banned, although i may be wrong on this i'd like to hear your views on what kind of power the vatican can exert on italy

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2005, 12:26:21 PM »

I'm extremely happy to read it. I knew it. That's why i don't think we should make a Christians vs Muslims war. But I was thinking.. i'm a Roman Catholic Christian, the religion of the Pope of Rome. We have separated ourselves from the other branches of Christianity who was born after the original one (i mean we've never accepted them). There's a strong separation between "us" and the other people who still consider themselves Christians. Why don't you do something similiar with other people who claim to represent the same religion you do? Why did you call them people in Saudi Arabia "muslims"? Matter of fact they're representing a religion different from your. You should separate yourself from them fakers.

I'm not down with seperating myself with other people who claim submission to the will of Allah (Islam).  Because the Qu'ran Kareem condemns that sort of behaivor.  As the English translation shows in the following verses, dividing oneself into a seperate group or sect is not liked by Allah, and Allah teaches us to make ammends between two contending brothers.   

49:10 The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy. [/i]


[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with
you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform
them of everything they had done.
[/i]


[30:32] (Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide
their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what
they have.
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[42:14] Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the
knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and
resentment among themselves. If it were not for a
predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for
a definite interim, they would have been judged
immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited
the scripture are full of doubts.
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There is one verse where Allah mentions that if a party of Muslims transgresses against other Muslims then you may defend those Muslims being transgressed against; but still the ultimate inclination is towards peace, and here is that verse.

49:9 If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies then make peace between them with justice and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).
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Antonio, ^^  what are your thoughts?
 
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2005, 08:32:29 PM »
so all somebody has to do is claim a belief in allah and in the Quran and you'll consider them a brother and offer them your support?  Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.  That just sets you up to be taken advantage of by the Jerry Fallwells of  your religion who will claim to believe, but only use their belief to manipulate others.   

It's not healthy for your religion to blindly accept and support anyone who claims to be a muslim.  It seems similiar to the current situation in America, where the biggest assholes in this country are the one's who most loudly proclaim to be patriotic americans (see bill orielly, rush limbaugh).  Then some people who dont really think things thru say to themselves, yeah these guys are patriots just like me, so i am gonna support them. 

If any group wants to stay strong it needs to take a stand against those who don't support the core ideals of the group.  In your case certain muslims are at odds with the core beliefs of islam even tho they claim to have faith. 
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2005, 08:29:56 PM »
so all somebody has to do is claim a belief in allah and in the Quran and you'll consider them a brother and offer them your support?  Doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.  That just sets you up to be taken advantage of by the Jerry Fallwells of  your religion who will claim to believe, but only use their belief to manipulate others.   

It's not healthy for your religion to blindly accept and support anyone who claims to be a muslim.  It seems similiar to the current situation in America, where the biggest assholes in this country are the one's who most loudly proclaim to be patriotic americans (see bill orielly, rush limbaugh).  Then some people who dont really think things thru say to themselves, yeah these guys are patriots just like me, so i am gonna support them. 

If any group wants to stay strong it needs to take a stand against those who don't support the core ideals of the group.  In your case certain muslims are at odds with the core beliefs of islam even tho they claim to have faith. 

I posted above an example of a verse from Qu'ran where Allah mentions that if a party of Muslims transgresses against other Muslims then you may defend those Muslims being transgressed against; but still the ultimate inclination is towards peace, and here is that verse.

49:9 If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies then make peace between them with justice and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).
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So there are instances where the Qu'ran protects us from our religion being overtaken by people who transgress.  But like I said above, ultimately Allah did not give this way of life to the people to divide them, Islam was sent as a mercy to the people.  As Allah says in the Qu'ran something to the effect of "You were enemies one to another and Allah joined your hearts."[/i]  And you see a great example of this every year at Hajj time, when Muslims from all over the world join together and perform the pilgrimage, and no matter if you are from Indonesia, Nigeria, or America your hearts are united and you join in prayer, worship, and effort in the path of Allah.

Islam was the way of life given to all the Prophets of mankind, the first known Prophet Adam, was taught to submit to his Creator alone, and to do righteous good deeds, which is the definition of Islam.  All the Prophets followed this religion; even Jesus; what happened is later a hundred or so years after Jesus; Paul was riding his horse in Damascus and he said he saw a vision, and in the vision God was three, and Jesus was God and so on and so forth; I'll let one of the Christians on the forum explain it if they want to.
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2005, 03:53:00 AM »
Antonio, do you feel what I'm saying?  I'm not trying to be pedantic, I'm pointing out that the example you showed me represents internal issue within the Muslim community.  It deals with the Saudi's reaction to what they deamed heretical teaching by another Muslim. Which is a different subject.

That's exactly the point, man. I live in Italy. Well, it doesn't matter Christians are in overwhelming majorit here: Italy is still considered a non-religious Country by our Constitution, and everybody is allowed to follow and preach his favourite religion, with no limitations and with nobody forcing other people to preach a particular religion. At school, kids can choose if they want to partecipate to (Christian) lessons of religion or not. And they can partecipate to Islam lessions too, if they ask it. Here in Italy they've made a law so they had to remove all the Crucifixes from our public places (included schools) to respect people who ain't Christians. Here there are a lot of mosquees, expecially in Rome, basically where the Pope lives. There are 8 huge mosquees in Rome. And about 150 other mosquees all over our Country. You know what i mean? Why do you still consider Saudi Arabia a muslim nation? Religion should have nothing to do with the organization of a Country. I mean it's not acceptable for me to believe here in Italy, in the Country where the Pope lives, we are so "liberal", and there you can't be like us. Why? Why can't we have Christian Churches there? Why can't a teacher talk about Jesus Christ at school?
the vatican is very powerful in itally and can operate great deal of censorship to stop things they deem damaging to their religion for example getting il caso calvi banned, although i may be wrong on this i'd like to hear your views on what kind of power the vatican can exert on italy

If you are a judge, or a politician, basically you don't want to go against the Vatican. Because it can damage your career, since there are millions of Christians here. That's how things like that happens (well it was in the late '70s anyway). Plus, since the Vatican moves millions of euro's, everyday, everybody wants to eat some of the cake. The "caso Calvi" was something extremely complicated, maybe too much for this forum/discussion. But no doubt there are some connections between judges, politicians, the Vatican, the money. But, to stay in-topic, it doesn't really affect the common people. Here it's legal to have an abortion, or to have a judicial separation. Here we all have free sex before we get married. Just to make some examples. Things that goes strongly against the Vatican's desire. It's not that they rule Italy, no way.
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2005, 03:56:27 AM »
Antonio, ^^  what are your thoughts?

I think everything should still start from the "real" muslims. Ok, you don't wanna officially separate yourself from people who are representing Islam in a bad way by creating two different branches of Islam, but at least i think you should condemn them. Strongly. Christians and Americans in particular can't stop them people, because they can only make them stronger. Only you can. If you all really want it. Do you?
 

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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2005, 12:29:22 PM »
Wonderful NATO murdered tens of dozens of serbian journalists when they attacked the news offices in Belgrade, sickeningly this is ok in the name of "propaganda". In addition they have already attacked al jazeera buildings before.

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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2005, 06:58:01 PM »
But, to stay in-topic, it doesn't really affect the common people. Here it's legal to have an abortion, or to have a judicial separation. Here we all have free sex before we get married. Just to make some examples. Things that goes strongly against the Vatican's desire. It's not that they rule Italy, no way.

I don't get it.  Why even call yourself Catholics if ya'll don't even follow the Catholic church or follow the giudance and laws prescribed in the Bible? 
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2005, 07:02:23 PM »


I think everything should still start from the "real" muslims. Ok, you don't wanna officially separate yourself from people who are representing Islam in a bad way by creating two different branches of Islam, but at least i think you should condemn them. Strongly. Christians and Americans in particular can't stop them people, because they can only make them stronger. Only you can. If you all really want it. Do you?

It depends on the situation.  I know many Christians would love for every Muslim's cause to be taking down and opposing other Muslims, but that's not the reality of the situation.  Most of these Muslim governments (including Saudi Arabia) were inserted into power by the West anyway.  They wouldn't last a day without the support of the Western powers.  So even if Muslims all gathered together and overthrew the Saudi government, the US, Isreal, and Britian would just install new puppets and stooges.
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2005, 06:43:56 AM »
But, to stay in-topic, it doesn't really affect the common people. Here it's legal to have an abortion, or to have a judicial separation. Here we all have free sex before we get married. Just to make some examples. Things that goes strongly against the Vatican's desire. It's not that they rule Italy, no way.

I don't get it.  Why even call yourself Catholics if ya'll don't even follow the Catholic church or follow the giudance and laws prescribed in the Bible?

Good question.
 

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« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2005, 06:50:31 AM »
I think everything should still start from the "real" muslims. Ok, you don't wanna officially separate yourself from people who are representing Islam in a bad way by creating two different branches of Islam, but at least i think you should condemn them. Strongly. Christians and Americans in particular can't stop them people, because they can only make them stronger. Only you can. If you all really want it. Do you?

It depends on the situation.  I know many Christians would love for every Muslim's cause to be taking down and opposing other Muslims, but that's not the reality of the situation.  Most of these Muslim governments (including Saudi Arabia) were inserted into power by the West anyway.  They wouldn't last a day without the support of the Western powers.  So even if Muslims all gathered together and overthrew the Saudi government, the US, Isreal, and Britian would just install new puppets and stooges.

Ok, but it sounds like an excuse, to me. I mean you should do it no matter the consequence or the reason why things like that happens. It's like when Bush said God was with him and with the Americans, justifying the war against Iraq. The Pope basically slapped him, making it clear He was against every war, inclueded that one. Maybe one of your biggest problem, under this point of view, is that, if i understood it well, you have no Pope's. I mean for you it's not a pyramidal thing, with a leader who can speak for you all. So to separate yourself from those people gotta be harder.
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2005, 04:32:07 PM »


Ok, but it sounds like an excuse, to me. I mean you should do it no matter the consequence or the reason why things like that happens. It's like when Bush said God was with him and with the Americans, justifying the war against Iraq. The Pope basically slapped him, making it clear He was against every war, inclueded that one. Maybe one of your biggest problem, under this point of view, is that, if i understood it well, you have no Pope's. I mean for you it's not a pyramidal thing, with a leader who can speak for you all. So to separate yourself from those people gotta be harder.

Good convo, I think we are getting closer to some kind of an understanding. 

Muslims used to have a figure called the "kalifa"[/i], who was like the Pope, in the regard that he was considered the central leader (Amir) of the Muslim world.  (But unlike the Pope in the fact that a kalifa is not a Holy figure, just a man who has been appointed to leadership, and given the great responsibility of attending to the affairs of the Muslim world)

The last official kalipha[/i] was named Abdul Hameed, and he was stationed in Istanbul, Turkey, and he was the leader of the Ottoman Empire.  The Ottoman Empire was the most powerful empire in the world in the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries, but they were ultimately brought down during World War 1.  Since then Muslims have not had a central authority.  There have been many grassroots movements, and even at one time Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban was said to have called himself the Amir of the Muslim world, because some felt Afganistan was the only Islamic state standing on it's own two feet without the dictates of outside powers.  Anyway, America invaded Afganistan in 2001 and the rest is history.  We really don't know about much about the Taliban.  And ofcourse we can't trust the major media outlets.  Afganistan still had many remote regions, and tribal customs, so not everyone in Afganistan was lock in step with the Taliban, but they did have a soveriegn government at one time.

Anyway, ou also have other small Muslim groups and organizations with little publicity, and without any official state backing who could be considered Amirs to some extent.  But like I said, nothing official like the kalipha's[/i] of the past.

btw, Currently, Iran is the only Muslim country left that can stand on it's own two feet without having to follow the dictates of an outside power.  And even Iran, just won their independance in 1979, and they are constantly being threatened by America and Isreal. 
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2005, 05:34:26 PM »
Thanx for your time, man. I've learned a lot from this conversation.
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2005, 06:02:43 PM »
But, to stay in-topic, it doesn't really affect the common people. Here it's legal to have an abortion, or to have a judicial separation. Here we all have free sex before we get married. Just to make some examples. Things that goes strongly against the Vatican's desire. It's not that they rule Italy, no way.

I don't get it.  Why even call yourself Catholics if ya'll don't even follow the Catholic church or follow the giudance and laws prescribed in the Bible?

Good question.

I'd like to back to this good question. I'll explain you how things work here in Italy, where i live. About 95% of the italian population has received the baptism (we receive it when we are about 3-4 months old); about 85% of the population in general consider himself a Christian. But we are in a big process of laicization. First we've Constitutionally removed the Christian Catholic religion as the Statal one (in 1984), making Italy 100% a lay State (like i told you). And now there's a big removing of the common people from the Churches. Till the late 50's, about 70% of our population used to go to the Church at least once a week. Now it's decreased to about 25%. Plus people in general ain't following the rules of the Church no more, like they should be. I told you about abortions, premarital sex, divorces, scientifical experiments over embryos, etc.. We've basically lost the faith. The #1 mission of the new Pope will be to restore our faith. The faith of European Christians in general. We gotta make this step, you know. We are in a transition period where just like 10-15% of Italians are really living like Christians. The world is going to the laical direction, and you muslims are scaring, under this point of view, cause you could even die for your religion. That's something so opposite to our lost of faith that is scaring, for most of us.
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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2005, 11:14:26 AM »
I still dont understand how such a dumb person is president of the USA.
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2005, 03:00:22 PM »
But, to stay in-topic, it doesn't really affect the common people. Here it's legal to have an abortion, or to have a judicial separation. Here we all have free sex before we get married. Just to make some examples. Things that goes strongly against the Vatican's desire. It's not that they rule Italy, no way.

I don't get it.  Why even call yourself Catholics if ya'll don't even follow the Catholic church or follow the giudance and laws prescribed in the Bible? 
its called confession, all you gotta do is tell the priest your sins and you will be forgiven!

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2005, 05:12:16 PM »
Mmmm.. it's not that easy, man. You are forgiven only if you are really repentant. And it implies that next week you shouldn't make the same sins. We basically call ourself Christians cause it's like a cultural tradition, you know. But we're very hypocrities, i admit it. I admire how muslims respect their rules.
 

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Re: Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera?
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2005, 05:52:23 PM »
Antonio, ^^ good explanation above about the Catholic situation in Italy, peace.
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