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SAN FRANCISCO - Gov.     Arnold Schwarzenegger said Friday he would consider granting clemency to convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, the Crips gang founder who became an anti-gang activist while in prison and was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

The governor said he would meet Dec. 8 in a private hearing with Williams' lawyers, Los Angeles County prosecutors and others involved.

Schwarzenegger has the authority to commute a death sentence to life without parole, but he is not obligated to hold a hearing. In Schwarzenegger's case, he decides clemency requests on a "case-by-case basis," spokeswoman Margita Thompson said.

Two other clemency petitions have come before Schwarzenegger. Neither was granted.

Williams, 51, faces a lethal injection on Dec. 13 for the 1979 slayings of a Whittier convenience store clerk and three people at a Pico Rivera motel. He has maintained his innocence and has asked the California Supreme Court to reopen his case, alleging shoddy forensics wrongly connected him to three of the murders. The Supreme Court hasn't ruled on the petition.

Los Angeles County prosecutors and victims' relatives have demanded his execution.

Along with asking Schwarzenegger to commute Williams' death sentence, his lawyers submitted what they said were signatures of 32,000 people supporting his petition for clemency.

Supporters, including rapper Snoop Dogg and Ras Baraka, the deputy mayor of Newark, N.J., have urged Schwarzenegger to spare Williams' life so he can continue his work with young people as an anti-gang activist.

Williams founded the Crips with a childhood friend in 1971 in Los Angeles, where the gang battled rivals for territory and control of the drug trade.

In prison, however, Williams gained international acclaim for co-writing children's books about the dangers of gang life. An award-winning television movie starring Jamie Foxx, "Redemption," was based on his life.

Schwarzenegger, in dealing with the two previous clemency requests, denied a hearing last year for Kevin Cooper, whose execution was later stayed by a federal appeals court, and held a public hearing this year for Donald Beardslee but declined to spare him.
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2005, 09:40:04 PM »
The governor should show Tookie the same mercy that Tookie showed to his victims. That is....NO MERCY. Fry the bastard.

By the way, anyone can be nominated for a Nobel Peace prize. I could nominate myyself if I wanted, that doesn't mean I am worthy.
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2005, 11:12:50 PM »
'C Walker' how u gon disrespect og tookie?
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2005, 11:28:11 PM »
haha, a white polack named C Walker condeming crips leader to death, if he aint disloyal, he's a dumbfuck
 

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2005, 11:32:57 PM »
'C Walker' how u gon disrespect og tookie?
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2005, 11:34:53 PM »
This faggot ass Polack can probably count all the black friends in his life on one hand. And by "friend", he means some one hes seen before.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2005, 02:33:02 AM »
i still think tookie needs to pay the consequence.  I mean...4 victims...geez...
If he gets off the hook..why not charles manson?? He probably finish making his children books as well.
But either way..God will see him soon.
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2005, 02:37:23 AM »
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2005, 02:57:27 AM »
Fry the bastard.

Fuck that nigga up. His victims aren't gonna ever get another chance at life, and neither should he.
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2005, 11:37:08 AM »
The governor should show Tookie the same mercy that Tookie showed to his victims. That is....NO MERCY. Fry the bastard.

By the way, anyone can be nominated for a Nobel Peace prize. I could nominate myyself if I wanted, that doesn't mean I am worthy.

You should not be on this site.  Hip-hop and American conservatives/jingoists don't mix.  You're the kind of person who probably listens to rap like it's a Minstrel Show.
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2005, 12:17:08 PM »
Fry the bastard.

Fuck that nigga up. His victims aren't gonna ever get another chance at life, and neither should he.

man, you're white.
 

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2005, 12:32:41 AM »
The governor should show Tookie the same mercy that Tookie showed to his victims. That is....NO MERCY. Fry the bastard.

By the way, anyone can be nominated for a Nobel Peace prize. I could nominate myyself if I wanted, that doesn't mean I am worthy.

You should not be on this site.  Hip-hop and American conservatives/jingoists don't mix.  You're the kind of person who probably listens to rap like it's a Minstrel Show.

Cwalker is just here because its an opportunity for him to say all the things he's to scared to say in real life.
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2005, 12:34:58 AM »


Cwalker is just here because its an opportunity for him to say all the things he's to scared to say in real life.

That is interesting that you say that. Because I always thought you posted here for the same reason.
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2005, 02:14:16 AM »
Fry the bastard.

Fuck that nigga up. His victims aren't gonna ever get another chance at life, and neither should he.

man, you're white.

First of all, I'm not white.

Secondly, what does race have to do with anything?

Because he's a black man his crimes should be forgotten and he should be granted clemency? If that's what your inferring then slap yourself. I don't care if the muthafucka is green, he killed people, ruined lives, and caused irreversible damage to the victim's loved ones. Oh so because he's the founder of the crips and that's cool n shit he should be let off? Just because he supposedly changed his life around he shouldn't be punished? Who doesn't change their life around when they're locked up for years in a prison?

I can't believe people even rally behind this guy.It's people like you who get caught up in race that keep our society from moving forward. I don't support his freedom so I guess i'm just an Uncle Tom now  ::)
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2005, 02:40:08 AM »
Fry the bastard.

Fuck that nigga up. His victims aren't gonna ever get another chance at life, and neither should he.

man, you're white.

First of all, I'm not white.

Secondly, what does race have to do with anything?

Because he's a black man his crimes should be forgotten and he should be granted clemency? If that's what your inferring then slap yourself. I don't care if the muthafucka is green, he killed people, ruined lives, and caused irreversible damage to the victim's loved ones. Oh so because he's the founder of the crips and that's cool n shit he should be let off? Just because he supposedly changed his life around he shouldn't be punished? Who doesn't change their life around when they're locked up for years in a prison?

I can't believe people even rally behind this guy.It's people like you who get caught up in race that keep our society from moving forward. I don't support his freedom so I guess i'm just an Uncle Tom now ::)

Agreed. I mean. I bet the victims families are suffering even more than he is, that shit is irreversible and it's never coming back, he doesn't deserve clemency
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2005, 10:24:17 AM »
Fry the bastard.

Fuck that nigga up. His victims aren't gonna ever get another chance at life, and neither should he.

man, you're white.

First of all, I'm not white.

Secondly, what does race have to do with anything?

Because he's a black man his crimes should be forgotten and he should be granted clemency? If that's what your inferring then slap yourself. I don't care if the muthafucka is green, he killed people, ruined lives, and caused irreversible damage to the victim's loved ones. Oh so because he's the founder of the crips and that's cool n shit he should be let off? Just because he supposedly changed his life around he shouldn't be punished? Who doesn't change their life around when they're locked up for years in a prison?

I can't believe people even rally behind this guy.It's people like you who get caught up in race that keep our society from moving forward. I don't support his freedom so I guess i'm just an Uncle Tom now  ::)

well, he was only accused on circumstantial evidence..and at the time, it wasn't rare seeing blacks being imprisoned for nothing and he always claimed his innocence.Plus, Tookie is an inspiration to people in the hood who try to get away from the bangin' shit and want to leave it behind.

btw, i was also reffering to your avatar..
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2005, 02:55:46 PM »

btw, i was also reffering to your avatar..

Well in that case....OOPS, lol
 

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2005, 03:00:42 PM »
Fry the bastard.

Fuck that nigga up. His victims aren't gonna ever get another chance at life, and neither should he.

man, you're white.

First of all, I'm not white.

Secondly, what does race have to do with anything?

Because he's a black man his crimes should be forgotten and he should be granted clemency? If that's what your inferring then slap yourself. I don't care if the muthafucka is green, he killed people, ruined lives, and caused irreversible damage to the victim's loved ones. Oh so because he's the founder of the crips and that's cool n shit he should be let off? Just because he supposedly changed his life around he shouldn't be punished? Who doesn't change their life around when they're locked up for years in a prison?

I can't believe people even rally behind this guy.It's people like you who get caught up in race that keep our society from moving forward. I don't support his freedom so I guess i'm just an Uncle Tom now  ::)

well, he was only accused on circumstantial evidence..and at the time, it wasn't rare seeing blacks being imprisoned for nothing and he always claimed his innocence.Plus, Tookie is an inspiration to people in the hood who try to get away from the bangin' shit and want to leave it behind.

btw, i was also reffering to your avatar..
I understand what you are saying.but..after he murdered them..how can he be inspiration to people?  Some people don't change.  Some do.  I mean.. people should know whether killing is good or bad.  They got choice...kill or walk away.
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2005, 06:29:38 PM »
i think that only god can judge a man. I'm sure god is with tookie, cuz he regret what he did and made some good things to repair is mistakes. Killing a man because he killed others is really stupid. an eye for an eye, that's not what jesus told us. Only retarded persons can support this. Give him life in jail or somethin. People will feel bad when he'll be dead. And c walker, or whatever the fuck u call yourself, you can't get a nobel price and u know dat, it's harder to recognize your fault when u did bad all your life. it takes a lot of courage and u dont have none, u just hiding behind your screen
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2005, 08:47:09 PM »
I personally think they should kill him.  This was already decided years ago, now it's time to follow through with what countless others before Schwartzenegger have decided : Tookie killed people and deserves to die in accordance with the law for his crimes. 
 

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2005, 08:50:27 PM »
maybe he deserve to die, but not by the hand of a man
 

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2005, 10:50:11 AM »
maybe he deserve to die, but not by the hand of a man
Well let's get a bear to push the switch. Lol, on a serious note, I think he should be executed, he knew what he was doing and the consequences of his action's. He even bragged about killing the people, according to reports. If he is granted clemency, then I am sure many other people on Death Row will attempt to do the same, no one should be shown as higher or lower than anyone on Death Row, I don't think he has done much in prison, I mean the number of people in Gangs is incearising all the time and by letting him live, it shows a total disregard of the Californian Judicial system. He killed 4 people and for what ? $200 !?!?! That is simply pathetic and just shows the desperation of some people.

He has done some good, granted but by pleading to live, it casts a doubt over the sinceirty of his claims of "redemption".

I am not white but I bet if he is executed, there will be an outcry by the Black community that either:

Arnold is racist or Tookie was martyr. It is a bad situation to be in but by showing Tookie that no one is above the law and no matter what they will pay for their crimes will maybe, just maybe highlight the seriousness of the situation to smaller kid's who might get drawn into gangs.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he would consider granting clemency to Tookie Williams
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2005, 11:36:48 AM »
If he doesn't get the lethal injection after all it still doesn't mean hes going to be getting out of jail so it would still be a fair enough punishment for him because we all know he regrets what he did and hes an influence on alot of people being a anti-gang activist and he just needs to stay around longer.
 

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2005, 12:26:34 PM »
If he granted clemency but he still has to serve a life sentence in jail then I'm for that. If he doesn't die in jail, the system will have failed us once again.
 

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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2005, 01:27:21 PM »
If there is an outcry in the black community then shame on them. It's not even a fuckin' race issue.