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Macaframa:
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--- Quote from: Javy on January 15, 2006, 04:06:46 PM ---He finished 22-of-38 for 290 yards with one touchdown, five sacks and countless hurries.
Sums up why it isnt Peyton's fault. Is Manning suppose to block, play D, write up the protection schemes, and kick a FG since hes the leader?
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well playing very un peyton like in the first 3 quarters is his fault. Throwing a ball that should of been a INT is his fault. If that ball is a INT the game is 21-10 maybe it becomes a blow out. This is just as much peytons fault as the O line, just as much as vanderjact. Hell Dan Marino stats wise is the greatest QB to ever live, he never won a big game either even though it was his fault, he never had a running game. bottom line though he was always held accountable for it. Well Peyton is also held accountable for it. Thats the way it is in football.
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It wasn't an INT because he never made a football motion before the ball hit the ground after his knee knocked it out. It happens all the time. I've seen guys intercept balls fall on their backs and have the contact knock it out and then get it back but it ends up incomplete.
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he did make a football motion, he rolled on the friggin ground with the ball. The NFL came out 2day saying the wrong call was made.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294309Updated: Jan. 16, 2006, 5:24 PM ET
NFL: Polamalu overturned interception the wrong callAssociated Press
The NFL said the referee made a mistake: Troy Polamalu caught the ball.
The league acknowledged Monday that referee Pete Morelli erred when he overturned on replay Polamalu's interception of a Peyton Manning pass Sunday in the playoff game between Pittsburgh and Indianapolis.
Mike Pereira, the league's vice president of officiating, said in a statement that Morelli should have upheld the call, made with 5:26 left in Pittsburgh's win over the Colts.
"He maintained possession long enough to establish a catch," Pereira said. "Therefore, the replay review should have upheld the call on the field that it was a catch and fumble."
After the reversal, the Colts went on to score a touchdown and a 2-point conversion, cutting the Steelers' 21-10 lead to 21-18. That led to a wild final few minutes and Pittsburgh clinched its win only when the Colts' Mike Vanderjagt missed a 46-yard field-goal attempt.
On the play, Polamalu made a diving catch of Manning's pass, tumbled with it in his hands and got up to run. When he did, he fumbled the ball, then recovered. Colts coach Tony Dungy challenged and Morelli ruled Polamalu had not completed the catch.
Shortly after the game, Morelli said: "I had the defender catching the ball. Before he got up, he hit it with his leg with his other leg still on the ground. Therefore, he did not complete the catch. And then he lost the ball. It came out, and so we made the play an incomplete pass."
Had the call stood, the Steelers would have had the ball at their own 48 with an 11-point lead.
"The definition of a catch -- or in this case an interception -- states that in the process of making a catch a player must maintain possession of the ball after he contacts the ground," Pereira said.
"The rule regarding the performing of an act common to the game applies when there is contact with a defensive player and the ball comes loose, which did not happen here."
The NFL almost never makes public the result of its reviews, although it did three years ago, when Pereira said officials should have called pass interference against San Francisco on the final play of a wild-card game with the New York Giants. The correct call would have given New York a second chance to kick a game-winning field goal in a 39-38 loss.
After the game, Pittsburgh linebacker Joey Porter said of the ruling:
"I know they wanted Indy to win this game; the whole world loves Peyton Manning. But come on, man, don't take the game away from us like that."
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello had no comment on Porter's statement.
In the past, players who have made such statements have been subject to fines.
Polamalu's overturned interception wasn't the only unusual call. Earlier in the game, when the Steelers were preparing to go for a fourth-and-inches from the Pittsburgh 48, two Colts defensive lineman ran across the line of scrimmage, pointing at the Steelers as if one of the linemen moved.
The officials stopped the game, but called no penalty.
Replays appeared to show Alan Faneca barely flinched. But Steelers coach Bill Cowher argued the Colts made contact with the linemen, which would have forced an offside call and a first down. Instead, Ben Roethlisberger ran a quarterback sneak for a first down, which allowed Pittsburgh to use another 5:02 before punting.
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i was just about to post an article exactly like that from NFL.com
Shallow:
I stand corrected. It's still not as bad as the Brady tuck fumble and it wasn't the only bad call in the game. Like the article said the false start that wasn't called, there was a pass interference the refs didn't call on Indy and another pass interference on the last throw to Wayne in the endzone.
It doesn't matter. Pit outplayed the Colts and deserved to win. I still say they won't be able to beat Denver. Plummer is too mobile to get hurried like Manning and the Broncos have a way better defensive backfield. I guess we'll see next week.
Perfection:
--- Quote from: Javy on January 15, 2006, 02:02:53 PM ---What the fuck did Peyton do to choke? If it wasnt for Peyton, the Colts wouldnt even be in position to tie the game in the end. It's not peyton's fault their O-line stunk it up.
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It's Peyton's fault that the Colts offense never adapted to the way the Steelers defense was playing. The Steelers were blitzing all game & there are 2 ways to help make a defense stop blitzing, draw play & screen play. Peyton called none of those plays. I believe he let his ego get the better of him in that in his mind he wasn't going to resort to calling a screen play & probably thought cause he's Peyton Manning, still standing in the pocket for a long time & throwing the ball down the field was eventually going to work. & Peyton proved after the game that he isn't much of a leader considering he threw his entire offensive line under the bus & didn't take responsbility for the way the Colts offsense played.
If it wasn't for the refs the Colts wouldn't have been in position to win that game in the end, seeing how the NFL has said that the refs messed up & that was an INT & then a fumble. So it should have been Steelers' ball & they end up winning 21-10.
So like I said, there are ways help make a defense not blitz so much at least & Peyton Manning never called any of those plays. Now the Colts are going to lose their MVP in the offseason (James) & probably lose Reggie Wayne as well.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Perfection on January 16, 2006, 10:36:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javy on January 15, 2006, 02:02:53 PM ---What the fuck did Peyton do to choke? If it wasnt for Peyton, the Colts wouldnt even be in position to tie the game in the end. It's not peyton's fault their O-line stunk it up.
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It's Peyton's fault that the Colts offense never adapted to the way the Steelers defense was playing. The Steelers were blitzing all game & there are 2 ways to help make a defense stop blitzing, draw play & screen play. Peyton called none of those plays. I believe he let his ego get the better of him in that in his mind he wasn't going to resort to calling a screen play & probably thought cause he's Peyton Manning, still standing in the pocket for a long time & throwing the ball down the field was eventually going to work. & Peyton proved after the game that he isn't much of a leader considering he threw his entire offensive line under the bus & didn't take responsbility for the way the Colts offsense played.
If it wasn't for the refs the Colts wouldn't have been in position to win that game in the end, seeing how the NFL has said that the refs messed up & that was an INT & then a fumble. So it should have been Steelers' ball & they end up winning 21-10.
So like I said, there are ways help make a defense not blitz so much at least & Peyton Manning never called any of those plays. Now the Colts are going to lose their MVP in the offseason (James) & probably lose Reggie Wayne as well.
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Yeah but if the refs made the right call on the 4th and 1 then Pit would have had 4th and 6 and punted instead of ran and then they wouldn't have had their 3rd TD. So it would have been 14-11. Tit for tat.
And it is not Manning's fault that the Oline crumbled. Screenplay or nor screen play, the linebackers and safeties were all over everything. Plus, Manning changes the lays when he sees fit. The Colts have and a co-ordinater and a head coach who would have forced that style on Manning by half time if they though it would have worked. Most of the time it wasn't even blitzing. It was to linemen on one guy while a another defensive lineman just walked in and got to Manning. No one is saying that Manning couldn't have played better but given the circumstances I don't think anyone outside of Michael Vick or Doug Flutie could have done anything to get away from the sacks. Not Marino. Not Favre. Vick would have thrown more INTs thanks to has bad accuracy, but I think a '98 Flutie would have went to town on that D, but he suffers in pocket passing.
Perfection:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 17, 2006, 07:16:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Perfection on January 16, 2006, 10:36:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javy on January 15, 2006, 02:02:53 PM ---What the fuck did Peyton do to choke? If it wasnt for Peyton, the Colts wouldnt even be in position to tie the game in the end. It's not peyton's fault their O-line stunk it up.
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It's Peyton's fault that the Colts offense never adapted to the way the Steelers defense was playing. The Steelers were blitzing all game & there are 2 ways to help make a defense stop blitzing, draw play & screen play. Peyton called none of those plays. I believe he let his ego get the better of him in that in his mind he wasn't going to resort to calling a screen play & probably thought cause he's Peyton Manning, still standing in the pocket for a long time & throwing the ball down the field was eventually going to work. & Peyton proved after the game that he isn't much of a leader considering he threw his entire offensive line under the bus & didn't take responsbility for the way the Colts offsense played.
If it wasn't for the refs the Colts wouldn't have been in position to win that game in the end, seeing how the NFL has said that the refs messed up & that was an INT & then a fumble. So it should have been Steelers' ball & they end up winning 21-10.
So like I said, there are ways help make a defense not blitz so much at least & Peyton Manning never called any of those plays. Now the Colts are going to lose their MVP in the offseason (James) & probably lose Reggie Wayne as well.
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Yeah but if the refs made the right call on the 4th and 1 then Pit would have had 4th and 6 and punted instead of ran and then they wouldn't have had their 3rd TD. So it would have been 14-11. Tit for tat.
And it is not Manning's fault that the Oline crumbled. Screenplay or nor screen play, the linebackers and safeties were all over everything. Plus, Manning changes the lays when he sees fit. The Colts have and a co-ordinater and a head coach who would have forced that style on Manning by half time if they though it would have worked. Most of the time it wasn't even blitzing. It was to linemen on one guy while a another defensive lineman just walked in and got to Manning. No one is saying that Manning couldn't have played better but given the circumstances I don't think anyone outside of Michael Vick or Doug Flutie could have done anything to get away from the sacks. Not Marino. Not Favre. Vick would have thrown more INTs thanks to has bad accuracy, but I think a '98 Flutie would have went to town on that D, but he suffers in pocket passing.
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Peyton should've taken some of the responsibility & because he threw all of the blame on everyone else but him, it shows he's not a true leader. & you saw how Manning didn't listen to Dungy when Dungy sent out the punt team, if Manning was told something by Moore or Dungy, there's a good chance Manning siad he would do it, & then changed the play.
& are you talking about the play where the Colts defense stopped to agrue a false start that went uncalled & because the Colts' defense did that they should've been called for a delay of game penatly?
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