Lifestyle > Sports & Entertainment
Wrestling backstage politics
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 18, 2006, 10:40:23 PM ---don't forget in Japan, inring injuries are common because they wrestle stiff. Also, in Japan, Hogan was a technical wrestler, not a powerhouse. Hogan Japan 1984 was one of the bestter technical wrestler you'll ever see.
--- End quote ---
That's a stretch. He was definately better in Japan and could be carried when he hustled but one of the better technical wrestlers you will ever see? Not even close. If we are talking techinical skills Hogan isn't in the top 100. Unless you use some stupid WWE style list like Top 10 American Wrestlers to win a tournament in Japan.
And Trauma; if the finish was set up for Inoki to be KOed what is the logic behind it. Why would the first ever IWPG tournament have Inoki lose to a virtually unknown Hulk Hogan? This was in '83. Before Hogan had become the international star he became in the WWF. This was when he was he was still just an AWA main eventer. It makes no sense for Hogan to beat a buy like Inoki who was a way bigger star in Japan than Hogan ever was in the US.
As for Hogan's polticking; it's no secret. He helped his buddies get good spots and kept down guys he didn't like. In the 80s it was fine because there was nothing better for business. But in WCW he hurt it just as much as he helped it and really helped it go under. His career is filled with little hissy fits. He kicked out of Warrior's pin right at 3 to make it look like he may have kicked out (of course Warrior worked even harder to destroy himself), he refused to work WM9 unless he was given the title at the end of the night and then refused to job to Bret afterwards, he completely killed Sting's momentum with that terrible finish at Starrcade. And these are just the major things. And he wasn't that big a draw in 2002 Trauma. When he won the belt the month after he lost to Rock the ratings went from mid 4s to high 3s during his title run. That's why it only lasted a month.
I like Hogan, I'm a big fan, but that doesn't mean I will ignore the obvious and support lies.
Trauma-san:
Hulk Hogan is still easily the greatest of all time, no matter what you want to say about him, or accuse him of. By far the most popular sports entertainer ever. I don't care if he fucking killed somebody, it doesn't take away from what we're talking about, the g.o.a.t. Shallow, it's your perogative to be the way you are, but you're throwing the logic you use at everything on here at this subject as well. If somebody truly IS the shit, then it's not big headed for them to say that about themselves. Hulk Hogan is the real deal, he has more clout than anybody else. "His friends" of course he gave his friends perks, who the fuck wouldn't? You mean to tell me you're going to put over and want good for people that are your enemies? He couldn't stand the Warrior and look where that ended up. Of course he helped Brutus Beefcake out, it was his buddy. Anybody with a heart is going to want what's best for their friends. If I can get my friend a job making a lot of money, I'm going to do it every single time.
As for him 'holding people down'. That's rediculous, and you still didn't adress what I said about it. How could someone have held Hogan down? WAS IT POSSIBLE, for anyone at anytime, to have held Hogan back? Could Vince have held Hogan down? No, because Hogan left, when Vince fired him, and went to the AWA and set the place on fire. He was so fucking good that Vince had to rehire him and it went from there. Vince couldn't have not gave Hogan the belt, because the fans demanded it. He couldn't have supressed Hogan's television time or whatever the hell you want to say Hogan did to Benoit or whoever, because the fans demanded Hogan on television.
Now lets go to WCW. Lets take Benoit. Let's say that Hulk Hogan hated Chris Benoit. He didn't like him, and didn't want him being on television. If Benoit was even on a third the level Hogan was, the fans would have demanded to see Benoit ever week, there would have been signs, there would have been complaints, the ratings would shoot up during Benoit's segments... Hogan would not have been able to hold the guy back if he was worth a shit. I'm not hating on Benoit, but the reason the guy hasn't been a huge star is because he just doesn't have what it takes to be a huge star. He's in the wrong business if that's what he's looking for. If he's looking to go out and entertain the hardcore fans and to enjoy wrestling as a sport and performing, then he's in the right sport.
Hogan couldn't have held back anybody worth a shit, it would have been impossible. Look @ Goldberg, you think Hogan WANTED to give his title up? Hell no, he did it because he knew he had to, Goldberg was the shit at the time so Hogan couldn't do anything about it. Anybody you want to say Hogan held back I'll tell you flat out didn't deserve the belt of the t.v. time or whatever the hell.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Trauma on January 19, 2006, 04:36:04 PM ---Hulk Hogan is still easily the greatest of all time, no matter what you want to say about him, or accuse him of. By far the most popular sports entertainer ever. I don't care if he fucking killed somebody, it doesn't take away from what we're talking about, the g.o.a.t. Shallow, it's your perogative to be the way you are, but you're throwing the logic you use at everything on here at this subject as well. If somebody truly IS the shit, then it's not big headed for them to say that about themselves. Hulk Hogan is the real deal, he has more clout than anybody else. "His friends" of course he gave his friends perks, who the fuck wouldn't? You mean to tell me you're going to put over and want good for people that are your enemies? He couldn't stand the Warrior and look where that ended up. Of course he helped Brutus Beefcake out, it was his buddy. Anybody with a heart is going to want what's best for their friends. If I can get my friend a job making a lot of money, I'm going to do it every single time.
As for him 'holding people down'. That's rediculous, and you still didn't adress what I said about it. How could someone have held Hogan down? WAS IT POSSIBLE, for anyone at anytime, to have held Hogan back? Could Vince have held Hogan down? No, because Hogan left, when Vince fired him, and went to the AWA and set the place on fire. He was so fucking good that Vince had to rehire him and it went from there. Vince couldn't have not gave Hogan the belt, because the fans demanded it. He couldn't have supressed Hogan's television time or whatever the hell you want to say Hogan did to Benoit or whoever, because the fans demanded Hogan on television.
Now lets go to WCW. Lets take Benoit. Let's say that Hulk Hogan hated Chris Benoit. He didn't like him, and didn't want him being on television. If Benoit was even on a third the level Hogan was, the fans would have demanded to see Benoit ever week, there would have been signs, there would have been complaints, the ratings would shoot up during Benoit's segments... Hogan would not have been able to hold the guy back if he was worth a shit. I'm not hating on Benoit, but the reason the guy hasn't been a huge star is because he just doesn't have what it takes to be a huge star. He's in the wrong business if that's what he's looking for. If he's looking to go out and entertain the hardcore fans and to enjoy wrestling as a sport and performing, then he's in the right sport.
Hogan couldn't have held back anybody worth a shit, it would have been impossible. Look @ Goldberg, you think Hogan WANTED to give his title up? Hell no, he did it because he knew he had to, Goldberg was the shit at the time so Hogan couldn't do anything about it. Anybody you want to say Hogan held back I'll tell you flat out didn't deserve the belt of the t.v. time or whatever the hell.
--- End quote ---
I'm not calling the guy evil or saying he shouldn't have done it. I'm just saying he did. Not so much by going out of his way to put someone down like he did with Sting at Starrcade. Sting himself said that Hogan didn't want to lose but had to, but he didn't want to look bad losing either so he talked Bischoff into setting up that stupid slow fast count and have Hart interfere. So what people had been waiting for, Sting winning the belt, was now tainted and Sting looked weak. That was childish and stupid. Sting compared his view on wrestling as acting. You pay me millions and I'll do what you tell me to do. He said if you tell Al Pacino his character dies in the movie how stupid would it be for Pacino to decline shooting the scene because he's afraid to look weak.
Anyway, I'm talking about Hogan hogging TV time and not allowing others to get over just because he was on TV so much. He would start off Nitros with a 25 minute promo and then end up either in the main event or interefering in it, and show up here and there in between. That was fine when he was the main draw, but Nitro's ratings stayed just as high when Hogan left as when he was there. When Goldberg won the title Hogan could have left completely, instead he was back the second stupid Nash screwed over Goldberg (Nash was just as responsoble for WCW's downfall as Hogan was. Russo takes the cake but those two didn't help). Hogan was back the night after Goldberg lost the belt and then Goldberg slowly got pushed aside. Even when Goldberg was champ Hogan wouldn't back off. Instead of letting Goldberg run with the belt against the top contenders Hogan took the spotlight back with his dumb feuds with Jay Leno and Warrior. It's not Hogan's fault. Management should have known better.
And I didn't address you saying Vince couldn't stop Hogan because I never disagreed with it. Theoretically Vince could have sent a shooter out there to make Hogan tap infront of everyone in a 5 minute match, but that would be the dumbest thing Vince could do. Vince needed Hogan to make the most money possible. No one is doubting that.
BOX5 the best poster on this site yell:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 19, 2006, 03:36:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on January 18, 2006, 10:40:23 PM ---don't forget in Japan, inring injuries are common because they wrestle stiff. Also, in Japan, Hogan was a technical wrestler, not a powerhouse. Hogan Japan 1984 was one of the bestter technical wrestler you'll ever see.
--- End quote ---
That's a stretch. He was definately better in Japan and could be carried when he hustled but one of the better technical wrestlers you will ever see? Not even close. If we are talking techinical skills Hogan isn't in the top 100. Unless you use some stupid WWE style list like Top 10 American Wrestlers to win a tournament in Japan.
And Trauma; if the finish was set up for Inoki to be KOed what is the logic behind it. Why would the first ever IWPG tournament have Inoki lose to a virtually unknown Hulk Hogan? This was in '83. Before Hogan had become the international star he became in the WWF. This was when he was he was still just an AWA main eventer. It makes no sense for Hogan to beat a buy like Inoki who was a way bigger star in Japan than Hogan ever was in the US.
As for Hogan's polticking; it's no secret. He helped his buddies get good spots and kept down guys he didn't like. In the 80s it was fine because there was nothing better for business. But in WCW he hurt it just as much as he helped it and really helped it go under. His career is filled with little hissy fits. He kicked out of Warrior's pin right at 3 to make it look like he may have kicked out (of course Warrior worked even harder to destroy himself), he refused to work WM9 unless he was given the title at the end of the night and then refused to job to Bret afterwards, he completely killed Sting's momentum with that terrible finish at Starrcade. And these are just the major things. And he wasn't that big a draw in 2002 Trauma. When he won the belt the month after he lost to Rock the ratings went from mid 4s to high 3s during his title run. That's why it only lasted a month.
I like Hogan, I'm a big fan, but that doesn't mean I will ignore the obvious and support lies.
--- End quote ---
AMEN TO YOU MY EQUAL, HOGAN IS LIKE my favorite of all time,but what he did in wcw was terrible at the end networth yell
KiCkAsS:
;D
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version