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Suffice:
Pippen is a god damn hater if u ask me. His whole life he's been the 2nd best plaeyer on the team and has not even come close to Kobe's greatness. Now he's sore about it and hating on Kobe... Fuck Pippen

wcsoldier:

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--- Quote from: Don Jacob on January 24, 2006, 12:27:48 AM ---i just rewatched the game


kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game

mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed  2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball


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u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.

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LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...

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lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.

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Charles Barkely is the biggest Laker/Kobe hater ever, I can't believe you're even bringing him up...Kobe's shot selection, for the most part, has been great. He's usually efficient, especially down the stretch. His field goal percentage is extremely good for someone who shoots as many threes as he does...His fadeaway jumpers with 2 or 3 people in his face are hit and miss. I'd say just about the same as an Odom pull up three from the top of the key...I like Kobe's offense being the primary offense for the Lakers. Sasha's gunna hit those threes in the future on nights when Kobes penetrating only to be trippled in the lane...Bynum is gunna smash on people on dime-pieces from Kobe night in and night out...Smush is gunna penetrate into the lane off a Kobe double team (which leaves the lane open) and dunk on someone like he does. The now is looking good, and the future is looking even better... 8)

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How is Charles a "laker hater"? lol. How come everytime someone brings up an honest and obvious truth about your team, you guys resort to "laker hater"?. What possible reason would he have to hate the Lakers? I agree with you that Kobe should be the primary offense. But cmon man, it doesnt take much to know that him forcing up threes over 2 defenders, fading away, isnt exactly a good choice as a shot attempt. I mean, compared to him simply dishing it off for a wide open 10-15 foot jumper by someone else....or even a cutter down the lane. How many times did you see Jordan, in this same offense, come off a screen baseline with a defender trailing him...and the screeners man stepping out on him also, only for Jordan to simply dump the ball off to the screening bigman downlow who just rolled to the basket for an easy dunk? Jordan didnt have good bigmen at all....but its an easy play to run.


From ESPN

Is Kobe the MVP this season?

Legler:
He is not the MVP to this point because, as great as he has been individually, the Lakers would have an even better record if Bryant sacrificed some of his scoring to maximize the contributions of Lamar Odom and Smush Parker. Bryant has been the most outstanding player, but Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash has been the MVP.



dont get me wrong, this aint the only opinion on Kobe. Im just saying, Tim Legler's opinion is exactly the opinion i have


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LMAO@you even questioning the hate Barkely has for the Lakers. It's so fuckin' blatant that the other analysts joke about it with him...Shit, I don't think I've ever heard him predict the Lakers will win...LOLLL. Barkely simply hates the Lakers, and he especially hates Kobe. You can tell by the way he talks about him, not just his game, but he tends to really bash the way Kobe is in general. And ESPN? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. #1 Laker hating network ever. People on the Lakersground forum call it BSPN. There are analysts out there who do not hate, and there are great sports networks out there with no bias, but you simply choose to quote the haters...LMFAO@Kobe not being MVP. Yea, Chauncey Billups is better and more valuable than Kobe Bryant...L M F A O!


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you guys dont even see how silly u sound. why are u all so paranoid? "Everyone is a Laker hater" LOL. U gotta be jokin me. ESPN....a "Laker Hater"? LOL. When Shaq and Kobe were winning rings....ESPN was jockin the Lakers so much it was ridiculous. Its just that, when someone....ANYone says anything negative about Kobe (even when its true, no NIK...he isnt perfect) u go back to this stupid shit about people being "Kobe Haters" or "Laker Haters". That shit is childish man. Do u honestly think this dood is perfect? Be honest NIK. Is he perfect? If u say yes...youre a fuckin retard lol What that means is....there are positives....and negatives to his game. I cant really break it down any simpler then that, if i could...i would try. But face it....positives....and negatives. Somewhat like every other person on Earth. All u do is point out positives, and ignore the negatives....but u dont see yourself as a dickrider. But if someone points out the negatives, theyre a hater. See how stupid that is? If ESPN hates the Lakers so much...then who do they love? lol. ESPN doesnt have any reason in the world to hate the Lakers. They just dont love them as much as, perhaps the most asskissing sports network on the planet, fox sports west. I said it before, on offense...Kobe is amazing. Is he perfect? Obviously not...no one is, deal with it. Can he improve still? Yes, obviously...everyone can. Is he on Jordans level (again, face it)? Hell no. Offensively, yeah Kobe can light it up. Defensively, he still isnt considered that impressive to anyone around the league. As for Charles, they dont tease him about hating the Lakers. Do u even watch TNT? They tease him cus he's so outspoken and out of all of them is really the only one who doesnt say whats popular. As for Lakersground....nice bringin them up. Im sure theyre not biased at all. Its definetely ESPN that is biased....not the Lakersground forum LOL!!! Get it through your head...not everything negative said about Kobe is from a "Hater". Like i said, thats a 10 year old mentality. So when they dog Ron Artest....HATERS! When anyone says shit about Shaq...HATERS! When YOU guys dog certain role players...or the coaching staff last year....HATERS! See? Stupid huh?

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Of course as Lakers fans we are biased, like every fan of athlets,artists ..... You can bring negative points and not being a hater 4 sure, but being objective , you can't deny that some people love to diss Kobe more than any other players in this league. If Kobe and James on the same night shot 30% from the field , there will more talks about Kobe forcing shoots and James(or any other top notch players) poor performance won't be even talked about. Of course Bryant is not perfect and I said sometimes he has to pass the ball more or drive to the hoop instead shooting fall away 3pts .Though you know when he's in the zone like that, you can't say shit so all of us have to be objective and not say one time: he's unbelievable and the day after he's a ballhog. During the road trip, in the beginning of December , our attack was perfectly balanced and Kobe had 20pts-8,9 assists. It's just other players are way too inconsistent on the offensive  (How many games Lamar, our 2nd option has scored below than 10 pts? easily at least 10). So what Kobe can do ? Finish games with 8-9 assists and Lakers lost by 15pts or take 35 shots and have a bigger chance to win ? We haven't a margin to waiting for other players to be consistent offensive wise and in the same time want to have a playoff spot.

lbc213:
I agree with Pippen 100%

Mo Z. Dizzle:
anybody read wut Carter said bout it?
here's the article if u havent:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5275220

acbaylove:

--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on January 25, 2006, 12:38:03 AM ---you guys dont even see how silly u sound. why are u all so paranoid? "Everyone is a Laker hater" LOL. U gotta be jokin me. ESPN....a "Laker Hater"? LOL. When Shaq and Kobe were winning rings....ESPN was jockin the Lakers so much it was ridiculous. Its just that, when someone....ANYone says anything negative about Kobe (even when its true, no NIK...he isnt perfect) u go back to this stupid shit about people being "Kobe Haters" or "Laker Haters". That shit is childish man. Do u honestly think this dood is perfect? Be honest NIK. Is he perfect? If u say yes...youre a fuckin retard lol What that means is....there are positives....and negatives to his game. I cant really break it down any simpler then that, if i could...i would try. But face it....positives....and negatives. Somewhat like every other person on Earth. All u do is point out positives, and ignore the negatives....but u dont see yourself as a dickrider. But if someone points out the negatives, theyre a hater. See how stupid that is? If ESPN hates the Lakers so much...then who do they love? lol. ESPN doesnt have any reason in the world to hate the Lakers. They just dont love them as much as, perhaps the most asskissing sports network on the planet, fox sports west. I said it before, on offense...Kobe is amazing. Is he perfect? Obviously not...no one is, deal with it. Can he improve still? Yes, obviously...everyone can. Is he on Jordans level (again, face it)? Hell no. Offensively, yeah Kobe can light it up. Defensively, he still isnt considered that impressive to anyone around the league. As for Charles, they dont tease him about hating the Lakers. Do u even watch TNT? They tease him cus he's so outspoken and out of all of them is really the only one who doesnt say whats popular. As for Lakersground....nice bringin them up. Im sure theyre not biased at all. Its definetely ESPN that is biased....not the Lakersground forum LOL!!! Get it through your head...not everything negative said about Kobe is from a "Hater". Like i said, thats a 10 year old mentality. So when they dog Ron Artest....HATERS! When anyone says shit about Shaq...HATERS! When YOU guys dog certain role players...or the coaching staff last year....HATERS! See? Stupid huh?
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Mmmm... Jordan at 27 collected 3 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections. Kobe being 27 has collected 3 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections and an NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection. I'm not saying Kobe is a better defender, but once again compare Kobe to the 27/28-years-old Jordan, if you really want to compare them.

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