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acbaylove:
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--- Quote from: Javy on January 26, 2006, 04:44:25 PM ---Then the time has to wait until he has a better team around him.
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They just miss a piece of the puzzle, man.
They're like Detroit before Rasheed.
Anyway Jordan had to wait 7 seasons to win his first ring.
Kobe is still in his second non-Shaq season.
But he already have 3 rings.
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Detroit w/o Sheed >>> Lakers without __________
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I disagree. Like i said once give Mourning to this team and they're contenders. And i said Mourning, not Shaq!
TeeRaySix9Teen:
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--- Quote from: ACB on January 26, 2006, 10:40:45 AM ---It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
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ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
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U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
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I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
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u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
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See, this is where you're wrong. If LeBron likes to get his teammates involved, Kobe LOVES to get his teammates involved. It's just that Kobe's teammates DON'T. Kobe gets them touches, shit, even if you watched the 81 point game, he was setting everyone up for easy looks. And as for his defense defenitely not being the best in the league, well, Jordan wasn't even the best defender on his team. He had Pippen for SO MUCH defensive help. Plus, Kobe is the best perimiter defender in the league, so yes, his defense is as good as it has to be... It's obvious to me that you haven't payed close attention to Kobe's growth as a player in the NBA. It's pretty obvious to me that you base your opinion on ESPN highlights and analysts. Oh yea, lets not forget Sir Charles...I know that deep down inside you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
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lol ive probably watched as many laker games as you have this year man. Kobe's "growth" isnt evident in his defense at ALL. I dont know where u get this idea that he's a great defender lol. But ive watched this guy on defense probably more then ive watched his offense. Ive seen him quit on so many plays on D man, and he gets burned....ALOT. Its well known around the league that he isnt considered a great defender. Jordan had Pippen, but Jordan himself was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league. there were years where many considered him the best defensive AND best offensive player in the league. So you cant compare the two at all. Plus, other then those two...they never had any amazing defensive stoppers until Rodman came along. The rest of the team was just role players who only shined because of Jordan. Once he was out of the league...they ALL disappeared. Even Pippen was nowhere NEAR the same player. And cmon man...youre going to tell me that Kobe likes to get his teammates involved more then Lebron? LOL Thats possibly the stupidest comment ive ever heard on this board regarding kobe. I cant even imagine Kobe himself saying somethin so stupid lol. Coaches biggest concern about Lebron since he's been in the league was that he would be TOO unselfish. They wanted him to be more selfish and look for his own shot more. Kobe hasnt exactly had any problem with being selfish since he missed those airballs in the playoffs at the beginning of his career lol. The man loves to shoot...he loves to have his name at the top of the boxscore. Unfortunately for LA, they wont win a championship with this lopsided shit. U say his teammates dont come through...but at the beginning of the year you kept arguing how they have all this talent. how Odom is an all star....etc..etc. Ontop of that, Phil was the "greatest coach ever". Kobe is the so called on court leader of this team. So let me get this strait....they had talent around Kobe, they have the greatest coach ever...Kobe "loves" (lol) to get his teammates involved...but it isnt working. So whos fault is that? The talent u said they had? The coach? Kobe? If the players arent making shots...maybe Kobe should be getting them the ball with more of an opportunity to succeed. Thats what a great player does. He can shoot all he wants, but if he doesnt trust his teammates...he will never win, i guarentee u.
TeeRaySix9Teen:
--- Quote from: ACB on January 26, 2006, 04:22:44 PM ---What exactly "Jordan had the ability to make teammates better" bullshit means? That's only an american paranoia, probably made by the media to dickride Jordan and to defend his legacy. But to tell you the truth the only player i've seen making his teammates play better than their real potential is Magic Johnson. Period.
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LOLOL!
the only player? You need to watch a little more basketball guy. Magic was good at making his teammates better, very good. But the ONLY player? LOL thats really unbelievably ignorant. Theres been tons of players who make their teammates better. Some do it better then others, but what do u have as proof of Magic being better then anyone else? Magic had a TON of talent around him. More then Jordan EVER had in his career. Magic had the luxury of playing alongside one of the most dominant players ever in Kareem. He had good defenders on the squad and good outside shooters always. I put Magic and Bird on the same level really, one notch below Jordan. As for the whole "media" conspiracy theory bullshit youre talking about lol. What could the media possibly gain out of keeping Jordans legacy alive? If anything, it would be the opposite. It would be a much bigger story for the league if they could build up a player to MJ's level on and off the court. There just hasnt been anyone who can fit those shoes. You think the league wouldnt LOVE to have a player that could draw as much attention to the sport as MJ did? Of course they would.
acbaylove:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on January 27, 2006, 02:25:58 AM ---LOLOL!
the only player? You need to watch a little more basketball guy. Magic was good at making his teammates better, very good. But the ONLY player? LOL thats really unbelievably ignorant. Theres been tons of players who make their teammates better. Some do it better then others, but what do u have as proof of Magic being better then anyone else? Magic had a TON of talent around him. More then Jordan EVER had in his career. Magic had the luxury of playing alongside one of the most dominant players ever in Kareem. He had good defenders on the squad and good outside shooters always. I put Magic and Bird on the same level really, one notch below Jordan.
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What's so funny about it? Jordan didn't make his teammates better at all. Not so much to overrate it they way you all do. He was a leader, the best player in the game, the best defender in the league. But he wasn't a team guy. He became a team guy after he retired the first time, since it wasn't possible for him to play "alone" (like "gimme the ball and i'll dunk it") no more. But shit man, the real Jordan wanted the ball in his hands, he wanted the team to work for him, grabbing rebounds, defending hard, passing him the ball in clutch time. He wanted to make shots. I already posted you his records nobody talks about. What if Kobe shot 49 times in a game? Man them Bulls were Jordan's team. Maybe the best team ever, ok. But still.. you know what i mean? Say Jordan is the best ever and i can agree with you (even tho i prefeer Magic), but don't mix him with Magic! Magic was the opposite: he always cared about the team first. He had that "playmaker" mentality so he loved to have everyone involved. Like: "Just run and i'll pass you the ball". Everybody could have been a superstar playing with Magic. Immagine Cedric Ceballos (lol) playing with Magic, running always in offence like a ball hog to score. He could have made like 40 points per game with Magic. And obviously i was talking about Magic, Bird, Jordan, the best players in NBA history, when i said Magic is the only one. Cause even Bonaccorsi from Brindisi, my local team, can make his teammates better, lol.
--- Quote ---As for the whole "media" conspiracy theory bullshit youre talking about lol. What could the media possibly gain out of keeping Jordans legacy alive? If anything, it would be the opposite. It would be a much bigger story for the league if they could build up a player to MJ's level on and off the court. There just hasnt been anyone who can fit those shoes. You think the league wouldnt LOVE to have a player that could draw as much attention to the sport as MJ did? Of course they would.
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The NBA has used Michael Jordan to promote basketball all around the world, man. And the media too. They've used him to make commercials like nobody in sports history. NBA and Jordan became the same thing, at one point. Jordan WAS the NBA. Everybody wanted it, and it worked damn good. People didn't even know the name of the team of Chicago, but they knew who Jordan was. And they knew he was "an NBA player". Now they're trying to do the same with LeBron James, man. What about LeBron James being called "the next Jordan" when he was still in college? (by the media, i mean). What about LeBron being the most popular player in the NBA as a rookie? What about his Nike contract? They are trying to make the same thing, man. They dickrode his dick so much that he has missed the Playoff for 2 straight season and nobody cared. So much that Kobe is obviously better than him but nobody care. So much that he's putting up worse numbers than in the first 2 seasons, but nobody cares. His popularity is higher than ever. Listen to an NBA game of the Cavs and they spend half of the time dickriding him. That's what they did with Jordan. They only difference is that Jordan was REALLY the best player in the League/ever.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: Jrome The Damaja on January 26, 2006, 06:25:08 PM ---
--- Quote ---Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
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Negro, quit backpeddling. You never said COULD, you straight said with the Laker D and the Kobe O, the Lakers are a strong playoff team. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU BASING THIS ON? The Lakers aren't even the best team in LA. You constantly throw out your little bitch disses actin like nobody knows shit about basketball, and you say dumb shit like this. Do yourself a favor and read some of your statements, and pretend like someone else said them. You'd be laughin your ass off. Everytime you open your mouth you play yourself. Its hilarious, and actually sad.
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Okay, how is that out there? Many analsyts are saying that teams should watch out for the Lakers in the playoffs, some have even predicted them to make the Western Conference Finals...Do you even know what the fuck you're saying? You said Kobe would rather be remembered for 81 points, you're straight ridiculous...
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