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What is Iran doing and why is the world worried?
nibs:
--- Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on January 23, 2006, 04:00:17 PM ---
Q: What are the principal dangers of a nuclear-armed Iran?
A: Israel considers a nuclear Iran a threat to its existence, but the rest of the Middle East also has cause for concern.
If Iran develops nuclear capability — for energy or weapons — it could trigger an arms race across the region by Sunni Arab nations that also feel threatened by Shiite Persian Iran.
Persians and Arabs have fought bitterly over the centuries. More than 1 million people died in the Iran-Iraq war, a Persian-Arab conflict. Shiites and Sunnis are now killing each other for control of Iraq.
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the sunni arab world has demonstrated countless times that shia-persian iran is always the lesser of two evils. it is true that that the eight years war with iraq was portrayed as arab's vs persians, but remember; states like syria actually sided with iran, not iraq. baathist-sunni-arab syria sided with the shia persians over the sunni arab iraqi's. syria and iran recently announced their mutual support and protection agreement, further strengthening the ties between those two nations. these arab/persian and sunni/shia arguments are inapplicable, as it seems like the muslim world tends to stick together against the non-muslim world first. those internal differences seem to be handled as a secondary matter. with the u.s. bombing and threatening to bomb muslim states left and right, with israel making it clear that they will use force to prevent iran from getting nukes; it seems obvious that the rest of the muslim world would rally behind iran and not view a nuclear iran as a threat. and such has been the message in newspapers from jordan and qatar that i've seen.
iran has always supported the arab sunni hostilities against israel. across the middle east, it's always been clear that the greatest threat and enemy is israel and the u.s. having a nuclear iran balances the power there somewhat. it wouldn't spark an arms race. and with iraq in disarray, saudi arabia still kurupt, what nation in the middle east is strong enough and rich enough to pursue nuclear weapons to engage in this arms race? syria? syria has no oil and is relatively poor. does turkey count? maybe turkey...
--- Quote ---A nuclear Iran could push Sunni Arab leaders in Saudi Arabia and Egypt to reconsider developing uranium enrichment capabilities. Both nations have started and given up nuclear weapons research.
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saudi arabia is too kurupt, too weak and susceptible to u.s. influence. i'm not buying the saudi arabia angle. egypt? other than ancient historical conflicts with persia; why would egypt be more intimidated by iran than israel? if egypt seeks nukes, i'd expect it would be a result of isreal (whom they've actually had a conflict with in modern times) than persia. egypt and iran aren't neighbors, trading rivals...what is the basis for that statement?
--- Quote ---Q: Is Iran breaking any international laws or treaties by pursuing uranium enrichment?
A: Iran signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, which permits development of peaceful uranium enrichment programs so long as they're fully transparent. Iran kept its nuclear program secret for almost 18 years before dissidents exposed it in 2002.
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what nation cannot back out of a treaty at their discretion? israel never even signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. this argument is really a moot point.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: nibs on January 24, 2006, 10:17:31 PM ---
and with iraq in disarray, saudi arabia still kurupt, what nation in the middle east is strong enough and rich enough to pursue nuclear weapons to engage in this arms race? syria? syria has no oil and is relatively poor. does turkey count? maybe turkey...
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Yeah, Turkey is strong, no doubt. They have one of the top 10 military powers in the world. Don't forget, Turkey was the old world superpower before Britian, and even during the rise of Britian, Turkey was never a colonized country. They've been a force for nearly a thousand years. Turkey was the seat of the last Islamic (Ottoman Caliphate) Empire. The Ottomans used to control lands all the way from Eastern Europe, Middle East, North Africa, and almost as far East as India.
Infact, people often think that there has never been peace in Jerusalem, but for the 400 years that the Ottomans controlled it, from 1500 to 1900, that region was at peace. Muslims controlled the region, and Jews and Christians were allowed passports for travel to their Holy sites. But the Jews wanted more. The Jews wanted a homeland. The Christians had driven the Jews out 2,000 years ago, and many Jews wanted all that land back for themselves no matter how many Arabs would have to be killed or displaced in the process. In 1948 their dreams were fullfilled when the UN made Palestine a Jewish homeland, changing the name from Palestine to Isreal and ultimately displacing 8 million Palestinians.
nibs:
looking further into the matter:
turkey has atleast twice attempted to start nuclear energy programs and both times those plans have stalled.
egypt has sought both nuclear weapons and nuclear power at various times. it appears that egypt's plans for nuclear power are still in effect, research and the procurement of reactors is still in place. argentina is building egypt's facility, which is interesting. argentina, mexico and brazil have all developed nuclear energy at some points, with varying degrees of success.
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Allah's Slave: Abdul-Infinite on January 24, 2006, 03:37:07 PM ---Rod, although your post was decent, you really shouldn't disrespect the leadership in Iran like you do. I doubt you would be strong enough to stand up against America's pressure if you were in leadership there. You'd probably cave under the pressure and be a sell-out. You'd cut some backdoor deal, hook all your homeboys up, and become a "house negro".
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I think your attack here is misguided infinite. Rod has every right to attack the Iranian leadership. The problem with these revolutionary rhetoric spewing Islamists is that they make for great talk but when it comes to wallking the walk, their exposed as corrupt, greedy un islamic parasites. And it is only the ones dealing with the govt on a daily basis (the Iranians themselves/) that recognize this. And Infinite, the Mullah theorcracy in Iran are house negroes. they aint shit. they aint real.
Im all for fuck the zionists, muslim power, let iran have a nuke. but i also realize that iranians got a legitimate beef with an illegitimate govt
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Fallujah Tech on January 25, 2006, 12:04:12 PM ---
I think your attack here is misguided infinite. Rod has every right to attack the Iranian leadership. The problem with these revolutionary rhetoric spewing Islamists is that they make for great talk but when it comes to wallking the walk, their exposed as corrupt, greedy un islamic parasites. And it is only the ones dealing with the govt on a daily basis (the Iranians themselves/) that recognize this. And Infinite, the Mullah theorcracy in Iran are house negroes. they aint shit. they aint real.
Im all for fuck the zionists, muslim power, let iran have a nuke. but i also realize that iranians got a legitimate beef with an illegitimate govt
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Assalamualikum... I know they are not perfect, but it's hard to be anywhere close to perfect when the major superpowers in the world are constantly trying to sabatoge you in everything you do.
Besides... Tech, you got to realize that everyone from Trauma to Jake, to Englewood to and on down the line, have been waiting for the day that we get into an argument and start turning a blade inwards at eachother. So if I have anything else to say to you on this issue, I'd rather discuss through Personal Message.
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