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democracy in the middle east: Hamas wins Palestinian parliamentary majority
mauzip:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on January 26, 2006, 03:50:40 AM ---hmm thats debatable
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Your neutral point of view on politics in the Middle East is debatable as well.
nibs:
this is just incredible.
i don't think you can even call hamas a terror group now if they are the government.
democracy is on the march!
what is even more amazing is that yasser arafat died under suspicious circumstances (poisoning/assassination???) as he was seen as an obstacle to a u.s. and israeli notion of peace.
his death is what allowed this transition to take place. would hamas have defeated fateh with arafat at the helm???
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on January 26, 2006, 03:15:44 AM ---they could of given a palestinian state years ago but they continue to block attempts at every opportunity
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Really?.... And didn't Israel agree to a Palestinian state, with a much larger territory than they have nowadays, back in 47- Partition Plan. Why would you choose to disregard this, one wonders. They chose not to have a state when they had most of what today is Israel. What makes you think they want it now? If they wanted to declare a state they could've done it on the territory they possess. Certain factors in the Palestinian Authority and in the Arab World truly profit from the status-quo of the territories<That's the core of the problem.
--- Quote ---"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity.... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel." (Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council (Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977)
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TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on January 26, 2006, 07:51:40 AM ---Certain factors in the Palestinian Authority and in the Arab World truly profit from the status-quo of the territories<That's the core of the problem.
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That's nothing but propaganda. Your trying to make it sound like the Arab world wants to maintain the status quo and have the Palestinians to live in a continuous state of oppression and occupation. Which is clearly not the truth.
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on January 26, 2006, 07:51:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on January 26, 2006, 03:15:44 AM ---they could of given a palestinian state years ago but they continue to block attempts at every opportunity
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Really?.... And didn't Israel agree to a Palestinian state, with a much larger territory than they have nowadays, back in 47- Partition Plan. Why would you choose to disregard this, one wonders. They chose not to have a state when they had most of what today is Israel. What makes you think they want it now? If they wanted to declare a state they could've done it on the territory they possess. Certain factors in the Palestinian Authority and in the Arab World truly profit from the status-quo of the territories<That's the core of the problem.
--- Quote ---"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity.... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel." (Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council (Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977)
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israel never fully backed the partition plan and u know it or ur just a sucker for zoinist properganda
--- Quote ---"Arab rejection was...based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half] Jewish with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body - a settlement which no self-respecting people would accept without protest, to say the least...The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the right of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own charter." Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."
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--- Quote ---"While the Yishuv's leadership formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israel's society - including...Ben-Gurion - were opposed to or extremely unhappy with partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state's borders beyond the UN earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians." Israeli historian, Benny Morris, in "Tikkun", March/April 1998.
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--- Quote ---"In internal discussion in 1938 [David Ben-Gurion] stated that 'after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of a state, we shall abolish partition and expand into the whole of Palestine'...In 1948, Menachem Begin declared that: 'The partition of the Homeland is illegal. It will never be recognized. The signature of institutions and individuals of the partition agreement is invalid. It will not bind the Jewish people. Jerusalem was and will forever be our capital. Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) will be restored to the people of Israel, All of it. And forever." Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."
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--- Quote ---"In December 1947, the British announced that they would withdraw from Palestine by May 15, 1948. Palestinians in Jerusalem and Jaffa called a general strike against the partition. Fighting broke out in Jerusalem's streets almost immediately...Violent incidents mushroomed into all-out war...During that fateful April of 1948, eight out of thirteen major Zionist military attacks on Palestinians occurred in the territory granted to the Arab state." "Our Roots Are Still Alive" by the People Press Palestine Book Project.
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--- Quote ---"Before the end of the mandate and, therefore before any possible intervention by Arab states, the Jews, taking advantage of their superior military preparation and organization, had occupied...most of the Arab cities in Palestine before May 15, 1948. Tiberias was occupied on April 19, 1948, Haifa on April 22, Jaffa on April 28, the Arab quarters in the New City of Jerusalem on April 30, Beisan on May 8, Safad on May 10 and Acre on May 14, 1948...In contrast, the Palestine Arabs did not seize any of the territories reserved for the Jewish state under the partition resolution." British author, Henry Cattan, "Palestine, The Arabs and Israel."
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--- Quote ---"Menahem Begin, the Leader of the Irgun, tells how 'in Jerusalem, as elsewhere, we were the first to pass from the defensive to the offensive...Arabs began to flee in terror...Hagana was carrying out successful attacks on other fronts, while all the Jewish forces proceeded to advance through Haifa like a knife through butter'...The Israelis now allege that the Palestine war began with the entry of the Arab armies into Palestine after 15 May 1948. But that was the second phase of the war; they overlook the massacres, expulsions and dispossessions which took place prior to that date and which necessitated Arab states' intervention." Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."
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--- Quote ---"For the entire day of April 9, 1948, Irgun and LEHI soldiers carried out the slaughter in a cold and premeditated fashion...The attackers 'lined men, women and children up against the walls and shot them,'...The ruthlessness of the attack on Deir Yassin shocked Jewish and world opinion alike, drove fear and panic into the Arab population, and led to the flight of unarmed civilians from their homes all over the country." Israeli author, Simha Flapan, "The Birth of Israel."
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--- Quote ---"By 1948, the Jew was not only able to 'defend himself' but to commit massive atrocities as well. Indeed, according to the former director of the Israeli army archives, 'in almost every village occupied by us during the War of Independence, acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes'...Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that 'every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.'" Norman Finkelstein, "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict."
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