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Come March, We'll see whats really good with Iran

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virtuoso:

Nibs let me ask you this, some people I have spoken to are putting forward the theory that the U.S is doing this to contain China i.e. prevent from being supplied natural reserves by arab countries, what do you think?

Kassem:
but iran is sparsley populated,but a country like isreal has a poulation living in a small area.same thing with us troops in the gulf

nibs:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 29, 2006, 12:43:42 PM ---
Nibs let me ask you this, some people I have spoken to are putting forward the theory that the U.S is doing this to contain China i.e. prevent from being supplied natural reserves by arab countries, what do you think?
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i don't know if the u.s. wants to contain china as much as they are still trying to contain iran.  the u.s. opposed the construction of a natural gas pipeline from iran to india; the u.s. opposes anything that will strengthen iran; especially as long as the u.s. is unhappy with the iranian government.

if china needs energy, china is going to get energy.  it's hard to stop china from getting energy.  one problem i can see with iran, that has been mentioned here before, is that iran wanted to start an oil trading market that would trade oil in euros and not dollars.  china is a huge buyer of u.s. debt and u.s. currency and one reason is because oil and natural gas are traded in dollars.  so if you put those two factors together, the china/iran connection could lead to china investing less in american currency, and ultimately hurting the u.s. economy.

this is probably a factor, as is maintaining the balance of power in the middle east.  if the bush administration could force a regime change in iran, i think they'd have less problems with iran doing business with china or india.

nibs:

--- Quote from: Kassem on January 29, 2006, 12:52:26 PM ---but iran is sparsley populated,but a country like isreal has a poulation living in a small area.same thing with us troops in the gulf


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you need accurate missiles to hit the proper targets.  and the u.s. m.o. is to disrupt any ability to launch a counterstrike, can iran protect itself from that sort of air campaign long enough to launch a counterstrike?

here's the article about the syria/iran alliance:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4270859.stm

this started when syria was under pressure over their presence in lebanon.  now iran is under pressure
Iran has vowed to back Syria against "challenges and threats" as both countries face strong US pressure.
"We are ready to help Syria on all grounds to confront threats," Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Aref said after meeting Syrian PM Naji al-Otari.

interestingly, syria was trying to procure missiles from russia:
Earlier, the Russian Defence Ministry confirmed it was discussing the possibility of selling missiles to Syria.

Talks are said to be focusing on a short-range anti-aircraft missile system, known as Strelets.

clearly to defend against an air-strike.


iran has been buying missiles from china:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html
Side-stepping US laws is nothing new for China. Beijing, as well as Moscow, has supplied Tehran with advanced missiles and missile technology since the mid-1980s. In addition to anti-ship missiles like the Silkworm, China has sold Iran surface-to-surface cruise missiles and, along with Russia, assisted in the development of Iran's long-range ballistic missiles. This assistance included the development of Iran's Shihab-3 and Shihab-4 missiles, with a range of about 2,000 kilometers. Iran is also reportedly developing missiles with ranges approaching 3,000 kilometers.

anti-ship missiles?  it looks like iran has been preparing to fend off an attack as well.

virtuoso:

Yes good point, if China wants energy there will always be someone there ready to supply it. For me this is driven by Israel's wish to completely dominate the middle east and since the leader of iran has been so outspoken about the israelis then they want to make that country pay dearly. However I do think that similar to the fake wars of bosnia croatia kosovo etc, which were essential in taking over to have control over the caspian sea. This is once again a move by the maniacal corporations to have complete control over the middle easts oil reserves. The wealth of oil that Iran has is simply incredible. That they are prepared to slaughter hundreds of thousands of people again to further their goals should come as no surprise.

What is scary to me is that when the war does begin (which I fear it will) I will be castigated and villified here in england if I am not toeing the line of "support the troops". Of course I will not be supporting the murdering of so many people. On a sidenote although connected to the war I am still amazed that very few people.....proportionate to this population actually realise the deadly affects that DU poisioning is having, both to the soldiers themselves and the horrific effects it has on generation after generation of babies within that country. I have read that since 1991 half of all soldiers are now on the disabled list, over here we had the gulf war syndrome crap I would bet anything that was attributed to the chemical weapons that they were using against the Iraqis and DU.

I am just lost for words, how no one in the U.S was impeached over the use of phosphorous weapons in Fallujah or as those u.s minions would call "shake and bake".

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