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Europe's Defamation of the Prophet
J @ M @ L:
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--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 08, 2006, 02:32:20 PM ---By the way... what happened to "Freedom of Speech" when the Jews were demanding that Mel Gibson take out certain parts in The Passion? How about every time the Anti-Defamation League files complaints? How about the fact that there are laws in Europe against the portrayal of anti-Semitic images in newspapers? If you guys want to talk about double-standards... don't forget little "minor details" like these.
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Have you ever seen Christians or Jews react the way Muslims have in response to something offensive? All over a stupid cartoon nonetheless?
I don't think you understand the issue here. People aren't blaming Muslims for being offended. People are always sayings or doing things that piss off members of a particular religion. The problem begins when people react with violence or by call for the offenders to be arrested. That is going too far.
Jamal, if you want to live in a western country like the US, you have to learn to embrace our values.
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You don't even deserve a response from me.. you gay Polack... all I gotta say to you is...
Go watch your gay white on white porn, you fucking wienerschnitzel
J @ M @ L:
Under the Danish Constitution, Freedom of Expression is found under section 77. It states:
"Any person shall be at liberty to publish his ideas in print, in writing, and in speech, subject to being held responsible in a court of law".
Under the Responsibility of Media Act (Act no. 348 of June 6, 1991), the author, publisher, and editors are responsible for their actions under the law. AND:
"While carrying out their tasks mass-media should recognize the need to take the individual citizens rights to personal integrity into account and recognize the need of non-infringement without due course".
The updated Media Liability Act of1992 includes sections on Press Ethics entitled: "The National code of Conduct:" adopted by the Danish Parliament. The rules comprise all editorial materials (text and picture) published in the written periodical press...(that) comprise persons mentioned and depicted; including deceased persons...The Code requires that the press publish factual information, especially if susceptible to personal bias or tortuous intention which may be prejudicial or insulting to others.
Additionally, the Danish Penal Code: Section 266b States:
"Any person who publicly or with the intention of dissemination to a wide circle of people makes a statement or imparts other information threatening, insulting, or degrading a group of persons on account of their race, color, or national or ethnic origin, belief" or sexual orientation shall be liable to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years."
According to the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC):
"The terms "statement or other information" should be interpreted broadly. They cover both oral and written expressions, pictures, "CARICATURES".
h cottie is bac-tive?:
i'd love 2 be a lawyer rite now and stick it to those cartoonists 8)
Shallow:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 08, 2006, 10:22:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 08, 2006, 03:22:40 PM ---This one Muhammad cartoon is no worse than the countless number of Jesus satires that pop up every few weeks.
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I agree... but Muslims don't portray ANY prophets in such a way.
Imagine if they did.... Jesus fucking some little kid... and the title "Got Catholicism?"
There have been cartoons/satires attacking or clowning Muslims/Islam for years... nobody gives a shit... but portraying the prophet in such a way is different.
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The point is what is done not who is doing it. Personally I highly doubt the cartoonist was religious at all, and I doubt those that mock Jesus the way they do are religious either. If a Muslim drew those cartoons I doubt the riots wouldn't have started because he's a Muslim. Turning on the TV and seeing a wimpy Jesus get beat up by Satan in a boxing match is very offensive to Christian groups and I don't think it matters who is creating the satires.
Personally I think this has a lot more to do with the leaders in these Islamic countries creating havoc and chaos for their people for who knows what reasons. This wasn't the first time Muhammad has been portrayed in a satirical cartoon, but this is probably the first time the countries where the riots are have gone out of their way to let their people see a cartoon like this. I've always thought that when a country wants tomake changes the people won't like or do something questionable they'll get the people talking about something else while the government does whatever it is it wants to do. (This isn't a Muslim thing, it happens everywhere).
Anyway, look at these sites for evidence;
http://www.outpost911.com/
http://islamcomicbook.com/
Jome:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 08, 2006, 10:24:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jome on February 08, 2006, 05:36:13 PM ---Anti-Semitic images ≠ Parodic caricatures
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Are you honestly saying that a picture of the Prophet with a bomb in his turban isn't anti-Islamic? Fucking fruitcake... go update the vault.
Besides... if European countries are printing these in the name of "freedom of speech"... then where does this freedom of speech go, when it comes to anti-Semitism? You were talking about a double-standard in the Middle East... check up on the double-standard in your own backyard, you chump.
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The Vault insult really hurt, you must have used days to come up with that one. :'(
Go cry like a bitch about comedies/parodies being insulting somewhere else, normal people can take a joke.
You'll never come up with proof that the caricatures were made to disseminate/degrade or insult islam, because it's not to be taken seriously, like 99% of ALL CARICATURES IN NEWSPAPERS, where the subject's distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic effect. Get this through your head, IT IS NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
The laws for anti-semitism are so outdated, that no one will penalized for them.
Use some common sense for fucks sake, "which may be prejudicial or insulting to others."... oh yeah, no one have ever found something insulting or provoking in the newspapers. ::)
Like Shallow said, if those laws still applied, then dozens of people would already be convicted for portraying Jesus in a degrading/offensive way, we're not in 1880 any more.
The hilarious thing is that it was Danish MUSLIM LEADERS who started this whole controversy when they brought the caricatures to the Middle East, purposely to create chaos/riots, and they even brought some pictures from a French pig lookalike contest (!!!!), saying "this is how they portray Muhammed", LMAO. ;D
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