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Mark Cuban ethers Phil Jackson
TeeRaySix9Teen:
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--- Quote from: 7 on February 08, 2006, 04:29:57 PM ---Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
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How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
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lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
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Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
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ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
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Phil Jackson is an excellent coach, one of the greatest if not the greatest...There's nothing more to it. Look at the Lakers last year with Frank Hamblen as the head coach as opposed to this year with Phil...Red was making those comments because he's jealous that people look at Phil as the greatest coach and not him...It's pretty much bullshit, if you take into account the fact that the teams he's lead to domination weren't exactly dominating before he took over... :-\
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so youd give him the nod over a coach like say Larry Brown, because of the championships? Even tho Brown has takin over teams like the Clips and the Knicks now. Teams that would be lucky to win 30 games, but need help rebuilding. I think u could put a lot of coaches in Phils situations, and theyd have the same amount of championships. This isnt just some shot at Phil, it goes back to what i said before. Players win championships, not coaches. In the NBA especially. Coaches are HUGE in college, highschool, etc. When they are stll at the stage of "teaching".
TeeRaySix9Teen:
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on February 09, 2006, 10:18:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on February 08, 2006, 10:37:31 PM --- And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
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OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
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LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
TeeRaySix9Teen:
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. like i said, if the Lakers win the championship this year. then i was wrong. if not, then im right.
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I wouldn't go as far as banning, but yes, that WAS an extremely dumb comment. LOL. So Phil has to win a championship with every team he coaches to prove he's great? That would prove he was God, not great...I don't see where your logic comes in. If Jackson leads this team to the playoffs, he's obviously excelled from what we had last year...PeACe
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u dont get it man. its not me whos treatin this guy like he's God. obviously we all know he isnt winning one this year. My point was just that without all that talent of having the greatest player ever, with Pippen. And having Shaq AND Kobe together, he wont win either. 7th in the west isnt that amazing man. especially when there are teams that have yet to really start playing their game. Houston will still make a run i believe, theyve had injuries all year and havent got in sync. Denver still hasnt played to their potential. In the end, the Lakers will be as high as i thought possible for them. A low seed in the playoffs that gets bounced out in the first round. Not an outstanding coaching job really.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
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--- Quote from: 7 on February 08, 2006, 04:29:57 PM ---Mavs >> Lakers
Phil: Got lucky with his teams.. barely makes the playoffs with a team that doesn't involve the best SG or the best C ever and a great sidekick each
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How many rings did Jordan & Pippen have without Phil? How about Kobe & Shaq?
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lol how many rings does Phil have without Jordan/Pippen? Kobe/Shaq?
What did Red Aurbach say about Phil? "He picks his spots"
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Like Red Aurbach is one to talk, he had Russel & Havlichek. The Celtics won with Russel as a player/coach.
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ok..so according to your quote. Phil was reason the Bulls and Lakers 3peated? Not Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe? lol Phil has always been overrated to me. He's a good coach and all, but not nearly as good as his win percentage says. This year he FINALLY has a team that isnt expected to at least compete for a title. It isnt like he's Larry Brown who has gone to numerous teams that were in terrible shape when he got there.
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Phil Jackson is an excellent coach, one of the greatest if not the greatest...There's nothing more to it. Look at the Lakers last year with Frank Hamblen as the head coach as opposed to this year with Phil...Red was making those comments because he's jealous that people look at Phil as the greatest coach and not him...It's pretty much bullshit, if you take into account the fact that the teams he's lead to domination weren't exactly dominating before he took over... :-\
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so youd give him the nod over a coach like say Larry Brown, because of the championships? Even tho Brown has takin over teams like the Clips and the Knicks now. Teams that would be lucky to win 30 games, but need help rebuilding. I think u could put a lot of coaches in Phils situations, and theyd have the same amount of championships. This isnt just some shot at Phil, it goes back to what i said before. Players win championships, not coaches. In the NBA especially. Coaches are HUGE in college, highschool, etc. When they are stll at the stage of "teaching".
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But look what Brown is doing with the Knicks...NOTHING. Of course I'd take a coach like Phil Jackson over Larry Brown ANY day. And I disagree with the fact that there are many coaches who woulda won the same amount of rings if placed in Phil's shoes...I think a coach has a lot to do with a teams success, the way the offense is ran, the way the players play defense, who takes who, who does what... the coaches dictate all that. You tend to make illogical statements regarding basketball...Coaches teach, true, but that's not even in their job description, some coaches just do that as a bonus. Coaches mean more than you think...PeACe
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on February 09, 2006, 04:17:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on February 09, 2006, 10:18:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on February 08, 2006, 10:37:31 PM --- And Kobe who gets his fair share off ticky tack calls in his favor every game. he's had Fish who would flop and get a call if u breathed on him. Shit, he even had the Mailman, who flopped all game even when a 5'10", 175 pound point guard ran into him.
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OMG. Man, are you fuckin' nuts? Kobe gets pounded almost every single time he takes it in...Only about 25% of those poundings actually get called. Why do you think Kobe has a league leading 11 techs? And you obviously don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what gaining position for the charge is. Derek Fisher was an expert at this, getting positioned does not equal a flop. Now Manu Ginobli, that's a whole different story...PeACe
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LOL ive watched so many games with Kobe man, especially this year. The man gets a TON of garbage calls that go his way. Its not only him, its most superstars. But he's no exception. U know how many fouls ive seen get called on a Kobe jump shot, where the replay even shows him not getting touched? (the probably dont show that angle on Fox lol). Its ridiculous. As for Derek, cmon man. Dont buy into the comments from Stu and company. They act as if Fish was a superstar lol. But its well known how big of a flopper he is. What did they call it? The "Fisher Flop"? Im not arguin whether Manu does it or not, he does. But he is also a very awkward player sometimes. Not really his fault, just how he is.
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EVERY superstar gets garbage calls, but along with that, Kobe blatantly gets hated on by the refs. You mean to tell me that you haven't seen Kobe get pounded in the lane by 4 guys jumping into him with no call? Kobe is probably one of the worst officiated superstars ever...As for Fisher, once again, it's called getting in position. Fisher used to take some beatings to get those calls, he'd get ran over by big ass guys, it's a fundamental thing as well as a sacrafice. Cook is also a good example of a player who knows who to gain positioning...
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