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TraceOneInfinite:
http://www.finalcall.com/pressconference/


Fast forward to 43 minutes if you want, around the time where he starts talking about the project for a new American century. 



(since everyone else at this forum seems to want to make this an issue and a point of contention, let me state my position that I am an Orthodox Muslim and we don't subscribe to any of the tenets of nationalism, Farrakhan on the other hand, does represent black nationalism.  Still, with that being said, Farakhan considers himself a friend and brother to orthodox Muslims all over the world, and therefore many Muslims see him as a brother, even though he does have evident differences in philosophy)

Mr. O:
new american century?  Neo conservative?  Is he talking how about how Bush wanted to change American policy before he got in as a president??  Not sure what exactly american century is, but isn't it gobal, imperiaist govenering type?  I know both left and right critics been critizing this.   I guess their basic belief was to lead the world and stuff like that.  How can Bush create this concept if his term is about to be up?  There's got to be someone evil like him to actually this thing.  U.S. wants to dominate in space, cyberspace, military, and etc...

7even:
Ethering nationalists as a nationalist is kinda hypocritical.. Farrakhan is a wanksta.

Eihtball:

--- Quote from: Allah's Slave: Abdul-Infinite on February 21, 2006, 12:23:02 AM ---(since everyone else at this forum seems to want to make this an issue and a point of contention, let me state my position that I am an Orthodox Muslim and we don't subscribe to any of the tenets of nationalism, Farrakhan on the other hand, does represent black nationalism.  Still, with that being said, Farakhan considers himself a friend and brother to orthodox Muslims all over the world, and therefore many Muslims see him as a brother, even though he does have evident differences in philosophy)

--- End quote ---

I think a great point of contention is the fact that you're white.  I don't see why you'd consider him a "brother" when he'd call you a "blue-eyed devil".  The general consensus amongst most Muslims seems to be that the NOI (as well as the NGE) are not recognized as legitimate Muslim organizations.  You are definitely one of the exceptions.

nibs:

--- Quote from: Eihtball on February 21, 2006, 06:49:12 AM ---I think a great point of contention is the fact that you're white.  I don't see why you'd consider him a "brother" when he'd call you a "blue-eyed devil". 
--- End quote ---

farakkhan changed the noi doctrine (atleast the public message) about 10 years ago, around the time of the million man march.  he changed the message to be more inclusive, and when you hear him speak now he mentions and claims to speak for opressed people in general.  whites and jews included.   this was the reason for the split between farakkhan and khalid muhammad, khalid refused to accept the new focus.  in this talk, he specifically mentions individuals that have twisted judaism (which he praises) for their own [evil] purposes.


--- Quote ---The general consensus amongst most Muslims seems to be that the NOI (as well as the NGE) are not recognized as legitimate Muslim organizations.  You are definitely one of the exceptions.
--- End quote ---

atleast half this talk was about respect for islam in general, and especially in the middle east, and the threat that forces within the u.s. posed towards islam.  it was a message for muslims in general; not just for some specific sect.

i wonder if most of the public noi doctrine could be considered as a doctrine that includes some elements outside of islam, but is mostly based on islam.

the notion that farad muhammad was god incarnate is probably blasphemous, but farad is not worshipped in the human form at all.  revered, but not worshipped.

the nge doctrine (which i believe is based around the secret doctrine of the noi) i believe could be considered a very loose derivative of islam.  the phenomena of the noi and the nge being loosely based on islam is not unique, there are various religious sects across the world that are either loosely based on larger religions or blends of larger religions (blends of islam, christianity, hinduism...etc).

it's ironic that in this speech farakkhan mentions concerns of u.s. officials and members of the pnac indicating a desire to "reform" islam, which he categorized as corruption.

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