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Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
TraceOneInfinite:
Many comments were said, I think it's been a beneficial discussion on both ends, props to Nibs for actually listening to the audio and also for providing us with useful insight and info. I can't copy and paste everything so let me just comment on a few things that immediately come to mind.
-I wouldn't look at it so much as virtuoso said, as Farakhan "changing". Rather, I think he is a man who is sincerely and deeply concerned with the plight of black people. He is sincerely motivated towards uplifting oppressed people all over the world, and he is clearly very angry at imperialist perpetrated by America, Isreal, and Britian. With that being said, he has many followers, he is looked upon as a spiritual leader of thousands of black men. He takes this job very seriously. He cares deeply for his followers. It has been reported in different accounts, that when presented with the orthodox Islam question, Fard, Elijah, and Farakhan have held the mindset that their people "weren't quite ready for it yet" or that "they needed to be cleaned up" first, or that "there first has to be black unity before their can be any black/white unity."
...in other words, to make a long story short. I don't think that Fard, Elijah, or Farakhan have changed their beliefs, I think it is more that they tend to give their followers what they are ready and prepared for. As Elijah said once, "feed the babies milk, not meat." In other words, what he is saying is these men just came into Islam from lives that many times have been very rough, and they are trying to feed their followers knowledge; piecemeal, slowly but surely developing their minds and their spirits. Somehow, deep down I do believe that the ultimate goal and intent is for them to be unified with Muslims all over the world.
-Also, somebody on here tried to claim that Farakhan wanted to commit genocide against white people or something like that. This is totally false. He has told his followers that when they (non-white people) come to power, they don't want to be like the Jews and do the same thing to somebody else that they had done to them (meaning Jews persecuted by Hitler then persecuting the Palestinians.)
Shallow:
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Didn't Elijah believe that he himself was the prophet? All the Muslims I know (and I know a lot) have no respect or regard for him and say he would not be welcome by Orthdox Muslims or allowed to enter Mecca. Is this true?
Don Jacob:
didn't farrakkhan say he believed that white people were created by an evil scientist?
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Don Jacob on February 21, 2006, 10:59:13 PM ---didn't farrakkhan say he believed that white people were created by an evil scientist?
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You got to see the deeper psychology in all of this. You can't take everything for face value. Understand their target audience. The Nation of Islam doesn't usually find it's converts at Harvard, they find many of their converts in prison. They are speaking to black men who have had their lives destroyed, black men who are x-gangsta's, drugdealers, and pimps. Now, most people don't give a damn about black criminals, but what's special about Fard Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad, and Farrakhan is that they do give a damn about these black men who have had their lives destroyed. For example, while the rest of the world turned their backs on O.J. Simpson and Micheal Jackson, the Nation of Islam still expressed love and concern for their situation, and they provided excellent security for them while they were going through trials.
Those are celebrity examples, but many are people nobody knows and nobody cares about who have found themselves caught up in the system. Now that probably doesn't mean anything to all of you, but there are people out there who do care for the disenfranchised.
Have any of ya'll ever dealt with an addict before? If you know anything, you don't tell them they are doing anything wrong, they will lash out at you. They will not accept critisism. However, if you tell an addict, a criminal, or a member of the disenfranchised why he is like he is, and you explain to him the environmental factors (such as 400 years of oppression, slavery, media manipulation of social norms and desires, white ownership of damn near everything) then you might have a chance of getting through to him. Because you will remove the giult from his heart, and you will call him to action against the real source of his misery. Then later, once you have cleaned up his self-image to a manageable level then you can teach him responsibility for his own actions, and insert other beneficial teachings. But initially, you have to teach a struggling man that it isn't all his fault, we don't exist in a vacuum, mankind is inter-connected, their is a rhyme and reason to everything.
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: Allah's Slave: Abdul-Infinite on February 22, 2006, 12:16:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Don Jacob on February 21, 2006, 10:59:13 PM ---didn't farrakkhan say he believed that white people were created by an evil scientist?
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You got to see the deeper psychology in all of this. You can't take everything for face value. Understand their target audience. The Nation of Islam doesn't usually find it's converts at Harvard, they find many of their converts in prison. They are speaking to black men who have had their lives destroyed, black men who are x-gangsta's, drugdealers, and pimps. Now, most people don't give a damn about black criminals, but what's special about Fard Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad, and Farrakhan is that they do give a damn about these black men who have had their lives destroyed. For example, while the rest of the world turned their backs on O.J. Simpson and Micheal Jackson, the Nation of Islam still expressed love and concern for their situation, and they provided excellent security for them while they were going through trials.
Those are celebrity examples, but many are people nobody knows and nobody cares about who have found themselves caught up in the system. Now that probably doesn't mean anything to all of you, but there are people out there who do care for the disenfranchised.
Have any of ya'll ever dealt with an addict before? If you know anything, you don't tell them they are doing anything wrong, they will lash out at you. They will not accept critisism. However, if you tell an addict, a criminal, or a member of the disenfranchised why he is like he is, and you explain to him the environmental factors (such as 400 years of oppression, slavery, media manipulation of social norms and desires, white ownership of damn near everything) then you might have a chance of getting through to him. Because you will remove the giult from his heart, and you will call him to action against the real source of his misery. Then later, once you have cleaned up his self-image to a manageable level then you can teach him responsibility for his own actions, and insert other beneficial teachings. But initially, you have to teach a struggling man that it isn't all his fault, we don't exist in a vacuum, mankind is inter-connected, their is a rhyme and reason to everything.
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So your gonna play games with the less advantaged by playing on their waeknesses so they'll beilive your religon/views of life? Either way you shouldn't say " white people were created by an evil scientist" unless you mean it, beacuse that's the same attitude behind the rascism African-Americans have encoutered over the the past 400 years.
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