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Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Dat Nigga Ted aka The 10th Nazgûl on February 22, 2006, 12:26:40 AM ---
So your gonna play games with the less advantaged by playing on their waeknesses so they'll beilive your religon/views of life? Either way you shouldn't say " white people were created by an evil scientist" unless you mean it, beacuse that's the same attitude behind the rascism African-Americans have encoutered over the the past 400 years.
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You can sit here and second guess the teachings of Fard Muhammad if you like, but the bottom line is, you ain't out on the front lines, deep in the city trying to raise up a people who had been seperated from their continent, culture, way of life, and forced into slavery.
What I was trying to explain is that I believe Fard Muhammad also didn't believe that white people were created by an evil scientist, but I think that out of his concern for black people living in oppression, he said certain things to reach them and get through to them, and then later they have steered the focus away from such teachings.
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: Allah's Slave: Abdul-Infinite on February 22, 2006, 12:16:38 AM ---Now that probably doesn't mean anything to all of you, but there are people out there who do care for the disenfranchised.
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Homie, I hardly think it's appropriate for a white man who (presumably) grew up middle class and whose sole connection with the black community is through Islam and hip-hop to lecture ME, of all people, on "caring for the disenfranchised". The "disenfranchised" were the kinda people I grew up with...can you say the same?
As I've said in other threads, I've been down that road before in my life, thinking of Farrakhan as a personal hero and thinking of white people as "devils". That was when I was an angry and rebellious young brother, but I done changed since. So yeah, I care a lot about cats that grew up the same way I did (or worse) and want to change, but that doesn't mean I'd tell them to join the NOI and keep living in ignorance. The AMM, sure, but not the NOI.
--- Quote from: Allah's Slave: Abdul-Infinite on February 22, 2006, 12:59:22 AM ---What I was trying to explain is that I believe Fard Muhammad also didn't believe that white people were created by an evil scientist, but I think that out of his concern for black people living in oppression, he said certain things to reach them and get through to them, and then later they have steered the focus away from such teachings.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I said before: Farrakhan is good at telling people what they want to hear...in other words, preying on their ignorance. And he's also been smart to align himself with entertainers that disenfranchised youth will listen to. Either way, that doesn't excuse what he does. And I can acknowledge that yeah, the NOI has had some positive impact on black communities. I just don't like the way they're doing it. The AMM has reached a lot of brothers, too (more than the NOI these days, in fact) in the black communities and in prison, without making references to devils and Yakub and shit like that.
As an orthodox Muslim, you should be deeply disturbed and offended by the NOI's separatist doctrine, which undermines the very prospect of universalism on which Islam was founded. There's a very good reason that the majority of your fellow Muslims call the NOI's beliefs "Farrakhanism". I think you need to just stop listening to Ice Cube and PE so much.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 21, 2006, 08:31:29 PM ---Didn't Elijah believe that he himself was the prophet? All the Muslims I know (and I know a lot) have no respect or regard for him and say he would not be welcome by Orthdox Muslims or allowed to enter Mecca. Is this true?
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this is their argument:
the qu'ran says two things.
a) god sends a different messenger to all people
b) muhammad is the final messenger.
they interpret that last statement as relative to the arabs. muhammad is the last messenger for the arab's, thus the qu'ran was delivered in arabic ot the arab people. this leaves the possibility of other people getting their own messenger after muhammad. surely orthodox muslims would find this as heresy.
farrakhan opens his speech here by referring to elijah mohammad as a prophet, and farad mohammad as god.
--- Quote ---didn't farrakkhan say he believed that white people were created by an evil scientist?
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that early noi doctrine was in many ways a response to nazi germany's concept of the aryan race being a master race, and also the interest in eugenics at the time. remember, it was nazi germany that claimed that the blonde haired, blue-eyed aryans were superior to all other races. the noi responded with the claim that actually the aryan race was inferior and evil...etc. taken in context, there was alot of debate about race, eugenics, and racial superiority. the noi was making a counter argument; and the noi doctrine is really the only doctrine that has persisted to the present day. this was not a completely frivilous debate; it had been pervasive within the scientific community as well.
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 06:44:10 AM ---that early noi doctrine was in many ways a response to nazi germany's concept of the aryan race being a master race
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What's really interesting is that Elijah Muhammad once invited George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazy Party, to lecture at an NOI meeting.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Eihtball on February 21, 2006, 07:26:49 PM ---I honestly don't believe Farrakhan has changed a whole lot. When I read Malcolm X's speech after he came back from the Hajj, I could tell the brother was genuine and had completely changed his outlook. But Farrakhan...dude has always struck me as being particularly good at telling people what they want to hear, and I remember how I used to buy into what he said myself. But the thing is, he's most definitely all about business, and by the 80s', the AMM was stealing away a lot of the NOI's power and influence. If anything, I think he's simply toned down the "blue-eyed devil" rhetoric because he realized that being public about it was bad for the NOI's image and lessened their chances of successful recruiting. I have yet to meet one NOI member who didn't still hold those views, even today.
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malcolm x left the noi. it was easy for him to completely renounce those beliefs. louis farrakhan restarted the noi to get back to the teachings of elijah mohammad. although he has toned down the message, it would be difficult for him to completely abandon the original message; it would be abandoning the very reason he restarted the noi. thus his statements have to be more calculated.
--- Quote ---BTW, MC Ren is no longer in the NOI.
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that's interesting. i guess not surprising as the noi message has been toned down in his lyrics for a while now.
--- Quote ---What's really interesting is that Elijah Muhammad once invited George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazy Party, to lecture at an NOI meeting.
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without question there is a history of anti-semitism within the noi. all i'm saying is farrakhan has tried to abandon that message.
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