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Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
virtuoso:
Farrakhan seems like an extremely dangerous individual, this notion that he has somehow changed the nation of the islam's doctrine to be "inclusive" is as an absolute joke I believe. So what are we saying that at some point he somehow saw the light in a manner of speaking and realised he was wrong and that those arent his deep rooted feelings. This is just a public relations exercise, he still sees whites as devils and would like to massacre every white person, like I said he is an extremely dangerous individual, actually not a dangerous individual he is purely psychotic. No one is fooled by this idea that this idea that somehow doesnt suddenly absolutely despise white people this has just been a ploy to persuade moderate muslims and blacks who have been resistant to the movement to fully embrace it.
nibs:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 21, 2006, 02:28:53 PM ---Farrakhan seems like an extremely dangerous individual, this notion that he has somehow changed the nation of the islam's doctrine to be "inclusive" is as an absolute joke I believe.
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there is the old saying "a leopard can't change his spots". if you don't believe a person can change, that's fine. what i'm saying is farrakhan has abandoned that "the white man is the devil" rhetoric for years. if you read an unattributed transcript of his comments, you would believe that this is a man who was a black muslim concerned about muslims and blacks across the globe, and all people in general as well.
i don't know what is in his heart, only god knows what is in his heart. i'm defending what he has said. i can't speak to what is in his heart.
i think we can use allah's slave: abdul-infinite's comments as a guide. he obviously didn't conclude that farrakhan was calling for the slaughter of all white people.
the only time i've heard "farrakhan" and "white devil's" together in the last ten years is when his detractors rely on those old statements.
--- Quote ---No one is fooled by this idea that this idea that somehow doesnt suddenly absolutely despise white people this has just been a ploy to persuade moderate muslims and blacks who have been resistant to the movement to fully embrace it.
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i think the unfortunate aspect of this is that there is great merit in farrakhan's message, and many people will dismiss him offhand because of his past track record. if you look at the second half of his comments here, he's talking about holding john kerry accountable for both his domestic and foreign policy platforms. no other credible black leaders on a national scale were making this appeal. if you look at kerry's platform both domestically and foreign policy, many of these liberals would have been abhorred by the positions kerry was advocating. yet all the black leaders had their pom pom's out behind the guy. al sharpton was somewhat critical, but to a much more subdued extent. the blacks in congress were behind their guy, along with jesse jackson.
and that is what i think is unfortunate. if you can look past the statements farrakhan has made in the past that offended you, there is great merit in what he has to say today.
eihtball pointed out that the noi doctrine was largely rejected as heresy; many of the most deviant claims that the noi used to espouse (space aliens...etc) have been either abandoned or simply go unmentioned today. yet the noi continues to be dismissed because of their past.
virtuoso:
Oh far from it I dont dismiss what he says, he speaks many truths and is obviously a very strong and influential figurehead but.....i am so deeply wary of his motives though and his underlying intentions. Of course I will admit this view is reinforced when I hear entire songs from rappers belonging to the NOI saying kill whitey whitey is evil crackas are devils etc and its so utterly sick. Then I have read on transcripts with other members of the NOI the same kind of mentality white devil white devil, not directed at certain individuals but on white people as a whole and then of course we have Dr Kambau who is also a well known member of the NOI saying during one of his recent uni lectures, the answer to our problems is to commit a genocide against every single white person, wipe them off the face off the earth literally. Now.....the media always seems to do everything in its power to keep this low key, you see that coupled with the fact that the actions of these members are never denounced by the leadership would suggest that such views meet with their approval.
nibs:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 21, 2006, 05:21:46 PM --- and then of course we have Dr Kambau who is also a well known member of the NOI saying during one of his recent uni lectures
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dr. kamau kambon is not a member of the nation of islam. much of the media incorrectly reported that he was a member of the nation of islam; in order to associate his statements with that group.
he has a pdf document defining "who he is" on his website.
http://www.blacknificent.com/
http://www.blacknificent.com/QandA.pdf
--- Quote ---I am neither a member of a fraternal, civic, religious, political, nor social group;
nor have I ever been a member of any cult, sect, gang, martial arts clubmilitary group, or any national or international movement of any kind
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dr. kamau kambon does not claim to be noi.
--- Quote ---you see that coupled with the fact that the actions of these members are never denounced by the leadership
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khalid muhammad was kicked out of the noi because he refused to abandon that doctrine.
half these rappers are not actually noi but are nge/five percenters, or nuwabians...etc. farrakhan cannot control what the rappers say, you surely have older ice cube and kam and mc ren albums espousing the older message. "made in america" and "kamnesia" progressively incorporated more elements of the updated beliefs.
Eihtball:
I honestly don't believe Farrakhan has changed a whole lot. When I read Malcolm X's speech after he came back from the Hajj, I could tell the brother was genuine and had completely changed his outlook. But Farrakhan...dude has always struck me as being particularly good at telling people what they want to hear, and I remember how I used to buy into what he said myself. But the thing is, he's most definitely all about business, and by the 80s', the AMM was stealing away a lot of the NOI's power and influence. If anything, I think he's simply toned down the "blue-eyed devil" rhetoric because he realized that being public about it was bad for the NOI's image and lessened their chances of successful recruiting. I have yet to meet one NOI member who didn't still hold those views, even today.
--- Quote from: nibs on February 21, 2006, 06:11:12 PM --- farrakhan cannot control what the rappers say, you surely have older ice cube and kam and mc ren albums espousing the older message. "made in america" and "kamnesia" progressively incorporated more elements of the updated beliefs.
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Yeah, but think about how closely he's associated himself with the hip-hop community since the days of Public Enemy and Ice Cube. When Cube was making songs like "Horny Lil Devil" and "Cave Bitch" and all the conservatives were trying to get his music banned, Farrakhan was standing up for him, praising him for speaking the truth and telling NOI members that Cube was a good role model and shit like that. I would say that at the very least, he was essentially condoning what these cats were sayin in their music.
You are right that shit has changed since the early-90s' and a lot of NOI/NGE rappers have stopped making references to "devils" in their music, but I think that's got a lot to do with getting paper as well. Back then, hip-hop was still seen as music that appealed only to blacks (even though there were certainly a lot of white kids listening to it), and it wasn't until around the mid- to late-90s' that a lotta rappers started realizing that white kids were their biggest fans and consumers. It's kinda strange to me that most white kids I meet today don't seem to be aware of what was said about them during hip-hop's Afrocentric/militant days, so I guess they were successful.
BTW, MC Ren is no longer in the NOI.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 21, 2006, 02:28:53 PM ---Farrakhan seems like an extremely dangerous individual
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I wouldn't exactly say that. For all of the NOI's threatening posturing and all their talk of Armaggedon, they're not at all like the KKK...that is, they don't try to get their way through acts of terrorism against white people. The NOI may be a racist organization from an ideological standpoint, but they're not a violently racist organization. If they were, they would have been declared a terrorist organization by now, as the KKK has been.
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