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the poll no-one had the balls to start...
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Chief on March 23, 2006, 05:56:02 AM ---ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
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shut up...
nibs:
--- Quote from: Real American on March 23, 2006, 03:04:33 PM ---
i have several issues with mainstream christianity:
a) it encourages people to be subservient to the laws and actions of man, and to accept oppression and injustice. human existence is portrayed as nothing more than suffering by christianity. it seems like an imbalanced portrayal.
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read, even dumber than when you said we need to accept Muslim oppression of religious minorities because it is their culture.
Since when has Christianity ever accepted injustice? Just look at American history. Who do you think helped spearhead the abolitionist movement in America? Christian churches. Who helped lead the civil rights movement? Christian churches. What did Martin Luther King do for a living again? Did he accept oppression and inustice?
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"accept" was the wrong word there. without question; imploring on christian values [and religious values in general], has been at the heart of many nonviolent movements that have realized great social change. at the same time, there are demonstrable limits to the extent to which such movements can be successful; and the amount of change they can realize. those sorts of movements are easy, and the mentality is a trap. those sorts of protests couldn't stop the iraq war that was unpopular from the start, and can't bring the troops home now. you don't hear christian groups advocating that george bush be put down for the good of mankind.
in addition the christian prophecies of the "endtimes" paint a scenario of doom and gloom with the world spinning out of controll where only their savior can correct the situation.
in contrast the qu'ran makes it clear that god abhors oppression, abhors injustice; and one of the tests of man is whether or not they are willing to step up and take action to correct the wrongs around them.
i maintain that one message is more empowering than the other.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Professor Tech on March 23, 2006, 09:13:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on March 23, 2006, 05:56:02 AM ---ok... lets compare God's representative, vs. Allahs representative...
Jesus - chose to live in poverty, was a peaceful man, died a horrible death for his beliefs. Inspired the writing of the most popular and most read book in the world...
Mohammed - had many a wife (in modern day would be in prison for having minors as wives), lived a plush life, had an army, inspired the writing of the most innacurate ramblings documented... which spawned in 2 directions where both parties wish to kill eachother off due to how the beliefs are structured. he also lived a long prosporous life...
discuss ;D
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For Muslims there is no debate over Jesus vs. Muhammad because they are both highly revered as messengers of Allah, and the Qu'ran very clearly states that we make no distinction amongst the messengers of God.
2:285 The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers: "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey. Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny."[/b]
2:136 Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Kassem on March 23, 2006, 08:49:30 PM ---you infinite i respect all that but its a fact arabs were treated as a second rate citizens at that time.a mulim khalifa would make the best possible ruler rule,not based on his national origin like the turks did.
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First of all, your my brother and I got nothing but respect for you. I think we can debate this subject politely but if I say anything that angers or offends you, just PM me and let me know, and we can discuss it over privately.
...now, as for you justification, it flat out is not good enough. You can't seek to destroy and break up the Muslim world just because you feel like your particular race isn't getting treated like they are the best. I'm sure some Sultans/Khalifa's may have been better than others, and everywhere you go you may find racist people, but that justification just isn't good enough.
#1-it's not sufficient from an Islamic perspective. #2.- Under the Ottoman, you claim that Arabs were treated like second class citizens by the Turks. So at WW1 they sought the help of white colonial powers, and now under those white colonial powers the Arabs have become the most disgraced race on the face of the Earth. Their blood is the cheapest in the world, and they are humiliated daily in the news and media.
...Personally, I love Arabs, but look at the way they are being treated today and tell me honestly that they are not more humiliated now then ever before. Look at the stand the last Sultan/Khalifah Abdul-Hameed took for the Arabs in Palestine. The Jews offered to pay off all the debts of the Ottoman Empire, and they offered a great deal of money to supply resources to bulk up their military capabilities. In return the Jews wanted a piece of Palestine. Sultan Abdul-Hameed, like other Sultans who came before him, emphatically turned down the offer.
coola:
either way you suckaz lose... i didnt read any of your boring excuses :P
youre still good people, just heavily mis-guided...
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