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Women in the fire & police departments
nibs:
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on March 23, 2006, 10:13:04 AM ---I got nothing against women in the fire department. The thing is, the majority of women are not qualified. They're allowed in the department so that the county/city can avoid lawsuits.
I know a guy in the fire department. He said they were running drills and a woman around 5'4 and 125 was suppose to pull him out of a simulated burning building. Now he's around 6'1, 200+ pounds. She gave up on him after 30 seconds.
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it sounds like the problem is that women have lower physical standards, as is the case in the military. i think the solution is that either the physical standards be the same or people with lesser physical capabilities be given tasks according to their merit.
my point was that this was a small issue that detracts somewhat from the larger issue. i'd prefer errors of this sort than the errors that lead to women being unfairly underrepresented.
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: nibs on March 23, 2006, 10:44:18 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dat Nigga Ted aka The 10th Nazgûl on March 23, 2006, 09:46:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: nibs on March 23, 2006, 09:42:24 AM ---i see people wanting to take away from women what little they actually have
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You think women don't have much?
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i think women have about 72% as much as men in the u.s.. slightly higher in some places. significantly lower in others. i'd like to see that number closer to 98% across the board; personally.
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So would I, but 72%=having little? 72% is an unfair proportion, but find me a women (in America at least) who isn't a feminist that says women have little.
I am under the impression that little is <50%
nibs:
--- Quote from: Dat Nigga Ted aka The 10th Nazgûl link=topic=105641.msg1088971#msg1088971 ---So would I, but 72%=having little? 72% is an unfair proportion, but find me a women (in America at least) who isn't a feminist that says women have little.
I am under the impression that little is <50%
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we agree on the 72% and only disagree about how bad 72% is. so we really aren't disagreeing on the facts. why shouldn't women have 98% of what men have? in terms of influence, power, wealth and respect? social, political and economic standing. why shouldn't women have 98%?
i think that is abhorrant.
women have no business on the football field. maybe women shouldn't be firemen, or atleast not general purpose firemen. but in the areas where sex makes no significant difference, why should sex matter? why should there be any disparity, let along a disparity greater than 2%?
Teddy Roosevelt:
I never said 72% wasn't bad I'm just saying it dosen't neccesarly translate into "having little." I even said that I'd like to see it at 98%
What I am saying is
<50% is little
50% to 90 is not little, but is not enough
90% to 95% ??
95% to 100% Good depending on your opinion.
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: nibs on March 23, 2006, 10:47:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on March 23, 2006, 10:13:04 AM ---I got nothing against women in the fire department. The thing is, the majority of women are not qualified. They're allowed in the department so that the county/city can avoid lawsuits.
I know a guy in the fire department. He said they were running drills and a woman around 5'4 and 125 was suppose to pull him out of a simulated burning building. Now he's around 6'1, 200+ pounds. She gave up on him after 30 seconds.
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it sounds like the problem is that women have lower physical standards, as is the case in the military. i think the solution is that either the physical standards be the same or people with lesser physical capabilities be given tasks according to their merit.
my point was that this was a small issue that detracts somewhat from the larger issue. i'd prefer errors of this sort than the errors that lead to women being unfairly underrepresented.
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I agree with everything except your last statement. Maybe I misunderstood you, but you'd rather have errors during an emergency like a fire instead of a woman being misrepresented?
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