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There is no correct RELIGION [POLL]
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: h cottie on March 30, 2006, 10:35:03 PM ---^^^ the one that that always had my mind puzzled about islam was the view of evolution. there is an abundance of evidence stating evolution existed. personally i don't believe it because of my faith, but it does make an interesting argument.
Your thoughts?
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I guess it would depend on how you define evolution. The Qu'ran details a devinely controlled evolution.
The Qu'ran is a logical and practical book. It is compatible with science, check these verses from Qu'ran, keeping in mind this book was revealed to man 1400 years ago.
Earth is egg shaped (10:24, 39:5, 79:30), earth is not standing still; it moves constantly (27:88), sun is source of light while moon reflects it (10:5, 25:61, 71:16), proportion of oxygen diminishes as we climb towards the sky (6:125), Even the Big-Bang Theory is confirmed in Qu'ran (21:30) The Expansion of the Universe is confirmed (51:47) The universe started out as a gaseous mass (41:11) Evolution is a devinely giuded process (21:30, 24:45, 32:7-9, 18:37, 15:28-29, 7:11, 71:13-14. The man's seminal fluid decides the baby's gender (53:45-46). Life began in water: "From water we initiated all living things." (21:30, 24:45)
h cottie is bac-tive?:
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hameed- 1908- on March 30, 2006, 11:09:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: h cottie on March 30, 2006, 10:35:03 PM ---^^^ the one that that always had my mind puzzled about islam was the view of evolution. there is an abundance of evidence stating evolution existed. personally i don't believe it because of my faith, but it does make an interesting argument.
Your thoughts?
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I guess it would depend on how you define evolution. The Qu'ran details a devinely controlled evolution.
The Qu'ran is a logical and practical book. It is compatible with science, check these verses from Qu'ran, keeping in mind this book was revealed to man 1400 years ago.
Earth is egg shaped (10:24, 39:5, 79:30), earth is not standing still; it moves constantly (27:88), sun is source of light while moon reflects it (10:5, 25:61, 71:16), proportion of oxygen diminishes as we climb towards the sky (6:125), Even the Big-Bang Theory is confirmed in Qu'ran (21:30) The Expansion of the Universe is confirmed (51:47) The universe started out as a gaseous mass (41:11) Evolution is a devinely giuded process (21:30, 24:45, 32:7-9, 18:37, 15:28-29, 7:11, 71:13-14. The man's seminal fluid decides the baby's gender (53:45-46). Life began in water: "From water we initiated all living things." (21:30, 24:45)
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i actually learned most of those statements made in the qu'ran not too long ago. the one about evolution tho said somethin about being 3 or so different stages in the process of creating man.
"And [mention] when your Lord said to the angels, 'Truly, I will create a man from clay. So when I have completed him, and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down prostrate to him.' And the angels prostrated, one and all. Save for Satan, who was too proud to, and disbelieved. He said to him, 'O Satan, what prevented you from prostrating to what I have created with My two hands? Are you arrogant, or too exalted?' He said,'I am better than he; You created me from fire and created him from clay'" (Qur'an 38:71-76).
but my question was really (sorry to not specify) the evolution of man from ape. is there something that pertains to that? becaus i was unsuccessful in my research
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: h cottie on March 30, 2006, 11:25:11 PM ---
but my question was really (sorry to not specify) the evolution of man from ape. is there something that pertains to that? becaus i was unsuccessful in my research
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There's a few things that might pertain to that, but I actually have to do more research on it myself before I start just posting anything.
7even:
we definitely evolved out of apes. the DNA is nearly the same, and some apes are smart as fuck. it's actually almost terrifying. they even recognize themselves in the mirror and put stickers off their body they happen to see there and shit. they can even construct things to reach bananas and shit. nuts.
just look that little fella in the eyes and you know he knows what's up. they can't talk because of the way their head is shaped and constructed, not because they are too dumb. they could def learn how to talk if they were able to physically.
truly amazing
nibs:
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on March 28, 2006, 10:23:15 PM ---Hey you're basically expanding on what I was trying to say. The purpose of all religions is to be a guideline in people's lives. I got no problem with religious text with the exception of a few things. I've studied pretty much all of the major religions -- Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mormonism, Judaism -- and they are all inspirational pieces of literature whether you look at them from a religious standpoint or philosophically.
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i think the logical follow-up question is: do you think that religion is merely the creation of man; or that there is an underlying truth there? without question these religions all provide inspirational and practical wisdom, but do you believe that there is some level of truth to them; or that it is no more than sage advice?
--- Quote ---What do I think the nature of man is? The response I learned from church is that we're all sinners and we need Christ as our Savior. My opinion is a little more complex than that. We all have qualities that are seen as bad to the majority of people, greed, lust, pride, and so on. Since I go by the belief that ANYTHING done in excess is bad for you, then anyone who is too greedy, lustful, prideful is doing a disservice to themself. Without these qualities, however, we would probably lack the drive to do anything productive in life and society. So my answer....both. We all have the urge to do good, but we all have the ability to screw up and sin. I don't think you can be either one entirely.
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i mostly agree with your ideas here. humans inherently has a sense of community and kinship with their fellow people. while the temptation towards selfish behavior is always present, this sense of community is always there to counter it to some extent; and ultimately this represents the basic struggle of man.
one issue is how and where man defines and identifies with his fellow people. people tend to have this notion of family -> community -> race/religion -> nation -> etc; and that sense of community tends to diminish outwards; depending on the individual. that's why you have people that don't care about war and collateral damage in some foreign country as long as their country remains #1.
but to get back to religion:
--- Quote ---The purpose of life according to the doctrine I grew up with was that we were suppose to witness and minister to as many people as possible. I could go with the scientific explanation and say our purpose is to reproduce, but I don't feel that's all we're here for either. This question kind of stumped me. To be honest, I don't know yet. I'm still young, I'm trying to figure it out myself.
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well, it is a question that most people are either trying to solve, or have given up on. this is why i asked if you beleive religions are based around truth, or if it was practical conjecture.
most religions paint the basic idea that for whatever reason man is now apart from god. in addition the human form is a false identity that man has assumed. in the qu'ran & the bible, man was decieved by satan, and angels rebelled against god. in hinduism, the soul (which is divine) is capable of recognizing it's true spiritual nature, or associating itself with the material world and assuming a false identity, the material body; and thus apart from god.
the bottom line is that all religions try to represent the path back to enlightenment, recognizing the true spiritual nature of man, and escaping the physical world for good.
i think the most interesting aspect of the purpose of life is ultimately the notion that escaping the physical world and returning to god & the spiritual identity is literally a choice. completely optional. with the sole caveat that the physical world is one suffering and subjigation to karma. some religions have adopted a position of denying this choice (eternal hell), and others embrace the notion of choice (reincarnation); but the bottom line is that religions represent a way out. this also suggests that people that don't want a way out, and are happy with their current state of existence are in many ways free to continue to do so (although most religions provide incentives to not do so); ultimately the fate of an individual is determinied by their actions.
these fundamental ideas of religion are in many ways beyond the corruptions of man. this is why i have to disagree about the notion that there is no correct religion, religion in many ways is what you make of it.
--- Quote ---If you haven't noticed, I've become very skeptical towards religion in general. I was one of those die hard dudes that walked the walk and talked the talk until I stopped being a follower and decided to search for some answers without being bias. Now I really don't know what to think, I'm still trying to figure some things out. I believe there's a supreme being, I'm trying to figure out if God really has the attributes of the Christian God I've followed my entire life. As far as philosophy & doctrine are concerned, alot of the things I got outta Christianity I still use because they make alot of sense to me and I feel they work best for me. I find that a little harder to do with other aspects.
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i agree with you 100%, and i also question the constant portrayal of a god with human characteristics and temperment. however in a metaphorical sense those ideas make more sense.
--- Quote ---I know alot fo what I'm saying may or may not make sense, that's because I'm still trying to figure it all out lol. When I've discussed this to people in person, they all tell me I'm lost and that I need to follow (fill in the religion) because that's the one true way. Now, I just find it hard to believe that this pre-packaged belief is completely correct or right for me personally, no matter which of the major religions that may be.
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i again agree with you that the notion of a pre-packaged religion is wrong. religion, both the philosophy and rituals are supposed to provide a foundation of insight and enlightenment for a person, and not just commands on what to do. i also don't think that religions are mutually exclusive. alot of the ideas work together very well, and trying to resolve contradictions for me provides a mechanism for better understanding.
personally, i like the quran and islam because it strongly emphasizes worship of the creator, prayer, charity...and i think these are fundamentally important questions. the quran doesn't try to answer everything, it focuses on what is important. someone once told me there were seven layers of understanding the quran, so i try to understand and interpret it's message in different ways.
i also like hinduism, (the upanishads in particular), because they provide insight into both understanding the nature of existence and also insight into how to look at and appreciate things.
we agree on alot of these points, we only disagree on whether the harm that organized religions and pre-packaged rituals and ideas have done qualify as a conmdemnation of "religion" as a concept.
specifically, your interpretation of the bible is in many ways just as valid as any organizations. after-all it was written by neither of you, and unless the authors step forward...it's open for informed debate. organizations have somehow stolen religion from the people; but religion isn't about an organization; it's about people and their nature.
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