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Lebron's In The Playoffs
TeeRaySix9Teen:
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--- Quote from: Javy on April 03, 2006, 11:30:12 AM ---Nobody is arguing that Jordan>Kobe>Lebron is any different, pay attention to what some people are saying. There's a double standard that Kobe can reach Jordan's level but Lebron can't do shit. That's the point of the arguement
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Yea, well you're missing the point yourself. LeBron said himself that he DOESN'T have the killer instinct that Kobe has, and that's what seperates them. That same killer instinct which Jordan had, it's in Kobe, it's no where to be found in LeBron...Come on man, I put Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, and Carmelo Anthony all in the same category. That is great players of today. Kobe, even if he ends his career today, will be one of the greatest of all time, no MATTER WHAT. Shaq carried the Lakers up until 2001, after that, Kobe was running mostly everything while Shaq was slacking off, showing up to camp overweight, not performing like he could...That's what got Shaq jealous, when he realized that the Lakers was becoming Kobe's team...And what Kobe is doing now, leading a bunch of young players who have no NBA experience to the NBA playoffs is amazing, no other way to describe it...Do you for a second think that LeBron James can lead a starting 5 which includes Smush Parker (previously an NBDL player), Brian Cook (a bench warmer his whole career), and Kwame Brown (Bust? :nawty:) to the playoffs? HELLLLLL NO!...Kobe is great, Kobe is the greatest thing in basketball right now...I'm not saying LeBron doesn't have a chance to be as great, I'm just saying that he hasn't proved so as of yet...PeACe
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how come when i said Kobe didnt do a good job "leading his team" last year. You blamed the coach, and said that the coach wasnt doing their job. Now that the team makes the playoffs, its Kobe who is the leader again, and he's doing an amazing job lol. This is why u look silly and like a hypocrit. When things go bad, its not because of Kobe's "leadership" (or lack thereof), but when things go good, its "kobe's leadership" shining through LOL.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on April 03, 2006, 07:38:49 PM ---
when people say Kobe is the "closest thing to Jordan", they are talking about their STYLE of play. Not about how "great Kobe is". I usually never compare Lebron to Jordan, because their styles dont match up. Kobe's style is completely patterned after Jordan. That doesnt mean he is close to being as good as MJ...it means his STYLE is similar. And if u havent heard Doug Collins "dick-ride" Kobe like u say he does Lebron, you must not watch much basketball. He just gave a nonbiased opinion and i quoted it is all. As for me not reading your post....its amazing how often u compliment YOURSELF on your "great points". No one else seems to think u make any "great points". Your ONLY argument is always that people are "kobe hating". lol thats a childish argument. Almost as childish as your sig. You have this menatality that everyone hates on you, hates on Kobe, hates on the Lakers. lol Grow up homie. The Lakers never have, and never will be "the bad guys". There is no conspiracy to hate on the Lakers, or Kobe. They are just one team in the NBA, whos not as good as they were a few years ago. Deal with it. You just cant deal with your team no longer being ontop of the world since Shaq left. All teams go up, and down. We were champions last year, maybe will be this year. And have been more successful, since Duncan hit the league, then any other franchise. That doesnt mean that 3 years from now we wont be a .500 team. Who knows. But i wont come on here calling everyone a bunch of "Duncan haters" lol.
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You're an idiot if you think Kobe isn't the most hated superstar in the league. You're an idiot if you think the refs haven't been fucking Kobe over in the month of March (compare his free-throw attempt average in the month of March to any other month). You're an idiot just because you are...You can't seem to grasp the fact that out there the media likes to creat a good guy, a saviour so to speak (LeBron James), and a bad guy, the heel (Kobe Bryant)...You're honestly telling me you don't see this? LMAO. Of course you don't, because you're a fuckin hater yourself, and even if you did, it's not like you'd admit it...Not everyone is a Kobe hater, there are a share of supporters...Come to think of it, you're probably the only (or one of the only) Kobe haters on WCC...Nobody hates on Duncan, in fact, nobody gives a fuck about him cuz he's so basic...Kobe is very controversial, he gets hated on by the media for Shaq's departure, his rape-case, his cocky attitude, etc. 'til this day...But what are we trying to establish here? Nothing really, it's all a matter of opinion, and in my opinion (and many others), Kobe is easily the closest thing to Jordan (in greatness and style of play) since Jordan...PeACe
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on April 03, 2006, 07:47:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on April 02, 2006, 08:35:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javy on April 02, 2006, 07:17:58 PM ---Fine let's take eFG% into the equation lol.
I'll just have Jordan's career eFG% vs Kobe's current career eFG%, which values Three Pointers and Ignores Free Throws
Jordan .509
Kobe .480
Or how about TS% which adds Three Pointers and Free Throws
Jordan .569
Kobe .550
And Jordan's last two years really affected his overall career average in both of these figures.
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THERE YOU GO! So they're NOT far off...LMAO. Add the fact that Kobe WILL get wiser/better and the fact that Kobe's first few years in the league were out of high school playing off the bench behind Eddie Jones, and it's more than evened out...Now try again. :-*
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its very difficult to use percentages when one player has played a whole career, and another is halfway through. Id be willing to bet that Jordans percentage from the field dipped towards the end of his career as he turned more into a fadeaway/outside shooter then as a slasher like he was in the beginning. He was taking it to the rim far more in the beginning of his career. That means higher percentage shots. Kobe is in the middle of his career, he hasnt gone through that stage yet where he needs to change his game as his athletisism diminishes. So for Kobe, this is the highest his shooting percentage should be (for a whole career), because he's basically in his prime. So if there was ever a time where he would need to be higher then Jordans, it would be as of now. He's not. Which means more then likely he will lose further ground as his career goes on.
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I'm willing to bet that Kobe's fg% will only get higher, as he'll take wiser shots...I'm also willing to bet he won't be in his prime until he reaches 30. Jordan was at his best when he was in his 30's, lots of great players take years of experience to perfect their game to it's full potential. Kobe will get better...
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: TeeRaySix9Teen on April 03, 2006, 07:50:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on April 03, 2006, 12:26:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Javy on April 03, 2006, 11:30:12 AM ---Nobody is arguing that Jordan>Kobe>Lebron is any different, pay attention to what some people are saying. There's a double standard that Kobe can reach Jordan's level but Lebron can't do shit. That's the point of the arguement
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Yea, well you're missing the point yourself. LeBron said himself that he DOESN'T have the killer instinct that Kobe has, and that's what seperates them. That same killer instinct which Jordan had, it's in Kobe, it's no where to be found in LeBron...Come on man, I put Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, and Carmelo Anthony all in the same category. That is great players of today. Kobe, even if he ends his career today, will be one of the greatest of all time, no MATTER WHAT. Shaq carried the Lakers up until 2001, after that, Kobe was running mostly everything while Shaq was slacking off, showing up to camp overweight, not performing like he could...That's what got Shaq jealous, when he realized that the Lakers was becoming Kobe's team...And what Kobe is doing now, leading a bunch of young players who have no NBA experience to the NBA playoffs is amazing, no other way to describe it...Do you for a second think that LeBron James can lead a starting 5 which includes Smush Parker (previously an NBDL player), Brian Cook (a bench warmer his whole career), and Kwame Brown (Bust? :nawty:) to the playoffs? HELLLLLL NO!...Kobe is great, Kobe is the greatest thing in basketball right now...I'm not saying LeBron doesn't have a chance to be as great, I'm just saying that he hasn't proved so as of yet...PeACe
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how come when i said Kobe didnt do a good job "leading his team" last year. You blamed the coach, and said that the coach wasnt doing their job. Now that the team makes the playoffs, its Kobe who is the leader again, and he's doing an amazing job lol. This is why u look silly and like a hypocrit. When things go bad, its not because of Kobe's "leadership" (or lack thereof), but when things go good, its "kobe's leadership" shining through LOL.
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Actually, I'm pretty positive that I said you can't win without a coach, which you can't...Who draws up the plays? Who chooes the offense? The defense? It's not the players now, is it?...OF COURSE Lakers are gunna be a better team with Phil running the show, you even manage to somehow twist that into a way to hate on Kobe...LMAO. I've said it all year long, Phil Jackson+Kobe Bryant=Money. What's so hard to understand? You're a fuckin' moron...PeACe
Javier:
Kobe's not going to get a higher shooting percentage after the age of 30. This is not possible for obvious reasons. The only way it's possible is that he's on a team that has 2-3 superstars to share the ball with and he can't be the primary scorer either, that's the only way.
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