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They fucked up the Big Show
Trauma-san:
I agree with Shawn. There is nothing to apologize about. He was told to go do something, he did it. Either do it... or your jobless, you've lost the 1 thing in the world you love to do (wrestle), your family's hungry, etc? Easy choice for me. Plus, with Bret perceived as a traitor because he was leaving for the competition? Shit. I would have done it too. They could have called me that night, I would have fucked Bret over instead of Shawn. It wouldn't have been as good of a match, but, yeah, I would have done it.
Trauma-san:
Oh, and about the "Shawn wouldn't job to bret". So? At least shawn was enough of a man to tell Bret, FACE TO FACE, upfront. Bret wouldn't job to Hogan. He never did, never would, and Hogan wouldn't either. What's wrong with that? It's how they both felt. It's the TRUTH.
See, that takes me somewhere else. People DO NOT LIKE the truth! However... you CANNOT hold somebody up as an asshole if they're simply saying the truth! Shawn wouldn't put Bret over. Instead of fighting about it, making a big deal about it, he told Bret face to face, like a MAN.
You think Bret Hart would put, say, Fit Finlay over? Hell no he wouldn't. Shawn just happened to not be willing to put Bret Hart over. These things happen.
Shawn (The man) went on to have all kinds of success, overcome back surgery, and is still going strong.
Bret got pissed, fucked up in WCW (possibly through no fault of his own) and his been bitter and broken ever since.
Sikotic™:
I never understood why Bret has reconciled with Vince, but still holds a grudge with Michaels. I mean, I love Bret, but that's just plain stupidity on his part. I feel bad for the guy. I feel in a way he's envious Shawn Michaels. How they both suffered serious injuries, but HBK was able to overcome it and how HBK seems to be happy with life since becoming born-again. Bret took the exact opposite path. He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
No way I take sides between the two, since Vince was at fault. I feel bad for them both because they could of had many great matches. The 2 matches they had (Survivor Series 97 and their champ vs. champ match) were both great.
daWappla:
--- Quote from: Trauma on April 04, 2006, 06:38:58 PM ---At least shawn was enough of a man to tell Bret, FACE TO FACE, upfront. Bret wouldn't job to Hogan. He never did, never would, and Hogan wouldn't either. What's wrong with that? It's how they both felt. It's the TRUTH.
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While you might be right about the jobbing part it seems that you totally forgot about something. What about the part, right after their SS97 match, where Shawn acted like he didn´t know anything about the swerve and was all surprised and all that? What about the part where they were sitting in the locker room and Bret asked Shawn if he had anything to do with it and Shawn swore to god that he had no clue.. You´re calling that being a MAN? Obviously he couldn´t tell him face to face and that´s what makes him the bitch...
And how could anyone see Bret as a traitor? He was the one that wanted to stay with WWF all the time, then Vince says that he can´t afford the deal anymore and that Bret would be better off in WCW. I think it´s his good right to demand a proper finish to his WWE career. That´s why other top people have their fucking creative control in the last month.
I also think that Bret and Vince have a lot better relationship than Bret and Shawn.. either Vince apologized or Bret just thought that he couldn´t expect anything more from a businessman like Vince. No clue about Earl and Bret. And the reason why Bret still holds a grudge against Micheals is not surprising to me... They never really liked each other so thats definatly a factor, plus while claiming to be a born again christian and being all religious you´d think that Shawn might have realized what factor he played in the whole situation.. I´m not necessarily talking about an apology but at least he could have came towards Bret and talk about it... Even if he "just did what he had to do to keep his job" it´s still a very precarious situation..
Whatever... I´m on Bret´s side on that one.. He always was my favorite wrestler and that whole Montreal screwjob and whatnot even made him a bigger hero than any wrestling angle could have ever done... at least in my opinion...
daWappla:
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 04, 2006, 07:19:51 PM --- He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
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Are you surprised by that? Just look at it.. After Montreal, at a time where he probaly felt betrayed and whatnot, his whole life took a downward spiral.. He was misused in WCW, then lost his brother, lost his parents, sufferd a career ending injury, witnessed deaths of other close wrestling friends/family (Bulldog etc), had a stroke (he could have been dead too)... to me it´s no surprise that he is broken down.. and I don´t even think that it has anything to do with Shawn.. I think he never got over the deaths of his family members... but whatever.. I just hope that one day he really can overcome all that crap...
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