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They fucked up the Big Show
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: daWappla on April 04, 2006, 07:44:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 04, 2006, 07:19:51 PM --- He became very bitter (regardless of what he says, it's in his demeanor) and is a shell of the man he once was.
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Are you surprised by that? Just look at it.. After Montreal, at a time where he probaly felt betrayed and whatnot, his whole life took a downward spiral.. He was misused in WCW, then lost his brother, lost his parents, sufferd a career ending injury, witnessed deaths of other close wrestling friends/family (Bulldog etc), had a stroke (he could have been dead too)... to me it´s no surprise that he is broken down.. and I don´t even think that it has anything to do with Shawn.. I think he never got over the deaths of his family members... but whatever.. I just hope that one day he really can overcome all that crap...
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Well sure, he has the right to be upset. It doesn't mean he has to be. Anyways, it looks like he's taking steps in the right direction by collaborating with the WWE again. Good for him.
--- Quote from: daWappla on April 04, 2006, 07:36:01 PM ---
And how could anyone see Bret as a traitor? He was the one that wanted to stay with WWF all the time, then Vince says that he can´t afford the deal anymore and that Bret would be better off in WCW. I think it´s his good right to demand a proper finish to his WWE career. That´s why other top people have their fucking creative control in the last month.
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Well, yeah in theory he deserved to go out his way, but this was 1997 man. The environment was alot different.....there was actually competition and Bret was going to that competition. Can I blame Vince for what he did? Nah. Business is business and Vince tried to milk everything he could out of his once prized employee before he walked off to the enemy. I bet if Bret didn't demand that he retain the title at SS 97 that the screwjob would of never occured.
daWappla:
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 04, 2006, 08:05:41 PM ---Well sure, he has the right to be upset. It doesn't mean he has to be. Anyways, it looks like he's taking steps in the right direction by collaborating with the WWE again. Good for him.
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I wouldn´t really call it being upset... I think he´s not even able to be upset cause he is just too fed up with all that.. He is feeling bad for himself, it seems, and I really think he would do something about it if there was a chance for him...obviously he can´t get out of that deperssion/mood... sometimes you´re just in a hole where you just can´t get out that easy... I just feel sorry for him, like I´d feel for any other person that´s obviously not happy, and that´s being bashed or badmouthed...
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 04, 2006, 07:36:01 PM ---Well, yeah in theory he deserved to go out his way, but this was 1997 man. The environment was alot different.....there was actually competition and Bret was going to that competition. Can I blame Vince for what he did? Nah. Business is business and Vince tried to milk everything he could out of his once prized employee before he walked off to the enemy. I bet if Bret didn't demand that he retain the title at SS 97 that the screwjob would of never occured.
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I´m with you on that one cause I don´t blame Vince either.. He has a business to protect but from what we know Bret just wanted not to lose there, make it a dq, make it whatever.. Take the title away from him immediatly after the match, so he has no chance to show up with it in WCW, and do whatever.. I don´t even know how they should have handled the situation.. I know he could have showen up the next day on Nitro, with no titlechange and how should Vince have an answer for that.. I´m aware of all that.. I just think it was the worst way to handle it... especially in Bret´s case cause he was loyal to Vince for such a long time...
Trauma-san:
Shawn was told to do something, he did it. His reaction of disgust could be seen as his disgust at what McMahon made him do. His comments in the dressing room about not knowing about it, that could have been what Vince told him to do as well.
When it comes right down to it, 1 man made all this happen. Vince McMahon.
Bret's got a lot on his plate, I understand that... but that's the test of a man. Everybody falls down and everybody gets their teeth kicked in by one thing or another, Men get back up and dust themselves off. Shawn Michaels is a perfect example of that.
Unfortuantely though, Bret hasn't been able to do that. I agree with whoever above said maybe these are some first steps in that direction, that would be great. Bret has been through more than most men go through. He did get fucked, one way or another in Montreal. He went to WCW and was horribly misused there. Goldberg ended his career by kicking him in the head (I hate Goldberg for that). He had a stroke. He's worked years just to get mobility back in his arm. His brother died in a friek wrestling accident, at the company he had left on bad terms. His brother in law died. His father just died. Bret's wife just left him last year. I mean there are countless, countless fucked up things that have happened to this guy. I hope he gets some peace from the storm.
rik:
What injury did Bret suffer?
Trauma-san:
Bret Hart is probably the greatest technical wrestler of all time. He knows every wrestling move, and could execute any of them at any time in any match. He would call his matches in the ring, and work the crowd through ring psychology... if the crowd is bored, he'd call for his opponent to do something exciting, he might slap somebody in the face if he thought the crowd would like it, etc... in the ring, Bret Hart was definately one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and Bret Hart never hurt 1 person in the ring. He was the consumate professional as a wrestler, he could wrestle all night and one of the most talented atheletes the wrestling ring has ever seen.
When he worked an angle with Goldberg in WCW, he was injured in a match. Goldberg was a washed up football player who made up for his inadequacy in the ring by showing intense passion and energy. He'd jump in the ring and scream and beat the shit out of somebody.
So, you have Bret Hart, one of the, or THE greatest wrestler of all time, able to make someone look in pain with 1000 different moves and not hurt them with any of them, in the ring with some dumbass who doesn't know but about 3 moves. Goldberg decided in the middle of the match, that it would be really cool and intense looking if he kicked Bret in the head as hard as he could. So he kicked Bret in the head, gave a man who never hurt anybody in his life a fucking head concussion just so he'd look like a bad ass in front of the crowd. Bret could have made Goldberg look like the greatest wrestler ever, because he was talented enough to carry anybody to a great match.
So, Bret starts suffereing dizzy spells, hearing loss, can't see, can't walk right, fainting, etc. all from this concussion. Can't wrestle anymore, and eventually has a stroke from it which paralyzes (for a year or two) one side of his body.
I blame Goldberg 100%.
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