Lifestyle > Train of Thought
oh oh... someone did some reading...
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 08, 2006, 10:47:09 AM ---1.) If the ratio of white to black is 6 to 1 and plantation owners had many slaves then it is mathematically impossible for many common folks to have any slaves. I'm not saying no one did, but there is no way the majority could have slaves.
--- End quote ---
i am saying that the majority supported the policy of slave holders. your logic illustrates my point. if the actual slave holders were in the minority, and it's democratic rule, they couldn't have had the votes or legislative power to support slavery unless the average non-slave holder also agreed.
--- Quote ---2.) That bullshit myth that people were leaving their countries because they wanted to get rich is just that; a myth. My family was more or less forced out of Greece since the area they lived had been war torn and the same goes a lot of Europeans. The well to do came over to do better, the poor came over because they were forced, one way or another, and the well to do need forces to make sure the slaves couldn't revolt.
--- End quote ---
we are only arguing over the scale of the improvement. america was offerring a fresh opportunity, free lands for many settlers in the west, and an end various oppressions. america provided the notion of equality and a level playing field. and you can look at the gold rush out west, and the cash crop farmers in the south to see that many were looking for wealth as well.
--- Quote ---4) Every Jamaican I know has a strong bond to other Jamaicans and the country and culture of Jamaica. The thugs fight each other more than anyone else but the Italian Mobsters fought each other more that anyone else too.
--- End quote ---
jamaica and other carribean states do have a significantly stronger sense of self identity than the blacks in america. by sense of community i was referring to the sense of responsibility towards one another and to that community; an idea which has largely been lost in favor of pursuit of individualistic goals.
--- Quote ---5) Why is it that the Greeks can be ruled and oppressed by Muslims for 400 years, be forced to learn Islam and the way or Turkish life and still secretly hold on to Christianity and Greek culture, but the black slaves couldn't hold on to their culture.
--- End quote ---
blacks from different tribes (now countries) were mixed up. so they black slaves that were together did not share a common language or culture with one another. this was done intentionally. all they had in common was that they were black. if you intermixed greeks, italians, germans and irish and split up their families...what common culture do those people share; and thus what culture can they hold on to?
nibs:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 08, 2006, 03:23:44 PM ---Firstly the high courts of Zimbabwe ruled the seizures illegal and were subsequently forced to flee for their leaves after being told they would be killed if they didnt leave immediately.
--- End quote ---
the land grabbing was done in two phases, the first phase required court approval before seizure, the second phase required court approval after seizure. what was ruled unconstitutional was the second phase; notion that they could seize the land and then verify after the fact that the land had been legally seized.
--- Quote ---However what I would like to comment on is your idea that it was badly planned and executed, no it was not badly planned and executed it was deliberately done. The land has been given to the closest associates of his and policemen secret service of his to name but a few.
--- End quote ---
i don't believe that mugabe is a competent leader. deliberate != well planned. the farm lands are now sitting there inoperational; this is poor execution. mugabe's government is not efficient, he has not demonstrated competency.
--- Quote ---He couldnt keep the white farmers in operational control
--- End quote ---
i'm not saying he had to keep the white farmers in operational control.
i'm saying if you seize the farms, you have to have someone capable of running a farm to take control. he apparently had noone capable of running the farms.
--- Quote ---Zimbabweans are being held down by their own brutal government more than any whites. Yet despite this farrakhan was the man praising this strong leader.
--- End quote ---
alot of people supported mugabe's efforts before they had become obvious failures.
the evolution of dictatorships tends to be that with success, prosperity and stability; they are able to become more efficient, less corrupt, more open, and less oppressive. because of mugabe's failures this has not happened in zimbabwe.
--- Quote ---As for the point about slavery in general, whats done is done it happened and yet some black people still feel like whitey owes them.
--- End quote ---
black people can continue to feel that "whitey" has wronged them as they have been wronged. it's pointless to say that "whitey" owes them as they will never be paid, the wrongs will not be corrected and they can only make the best of their situation.
--- Quote ---I also think its nonsense when you said you can put food on the table house over your head etc, how can someone be fortunate in that respect when the only way they can do that is live in financial impisonment, in other words always being in debt.
--- End quote ---
nonsense?
food, shelter, free from disease...that is a very good starting point. that's much better than homeless, hungry, sick and diseased.
i think it's a problem when governments are willing to pay for wars but not to help their people more. we don't disagree that the west is rich, your quarrel is with the distribution of that wealth.
--- Quote ---Yet instead of realising that most whites in this country are in the same damn position as them they want to continue with this mentality of being held down.
--- End quote ---
i agree with you that many blacks have adopted a self destructive mentality. however, the playing field isn't level. the problem i have is that people aren't taking a realistic approach to their situation.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[*] Previous page
Go to full version