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The hip-hop community will be the next segment of US soceity to embrace Islam
Eihtball:
Yeah, I agree with what the people above me have said. The Afrocentric phase in hip-hop pretty much died out 10 years ago, which in my opinion probably had a lot to do with the increasing awareness that dissing the "white devil" was counter-productive when white kids were the biggest consumers of hip-hop records. Even though I'm as tired of all the thug-talk in hip-hop as anyone else, I can't say I miss the Afrocentric days THAT much, either.
Although I do think it's kinda true that hip-hop could, in theory, get kids interested in Islam. When I was a shorty, I got interested in the Qur'an and Malcolm X after listening to Public Enemy and Brand Nubian, and I thought about becoming a Muslim, but it ain't happened yet (and almost certainly won't). Of course, that's probably cause I became interested in gangbanging after I started listening to Snoop Dogg and Eazy-E, and that's when I started throwing up Southside Village and going out blued up and shit.
Shallow:
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--- Quote from: Shallow on April 16, 2006, 06:57:18 AM ---I may hate all that Emo crap but those bands do alright too. Not to mention i taskes more talent to write and perfrom a mediocre Rock band hit than it does a very good rap song.
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i disagree with you, there are hip hop producers that are very talented musically and lyricists that are very skilled poetically. as far as i can tell rock bands don't even make a decent effort in terms of their lyrics and half of them can't sing either. so the vocal talent is lacking.
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I meant the good bands talent wise. Not Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, etc. Bands like Pearl Jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, or Springsteen. A guy like Springsteen is more musically talented across the board than anyone in maybe the history of rap, and as good as any of the best lyricists.
However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song. You give me a computer, a stack of records to sample from, and a microphone and I my self will produce a rap song that isn't much worse than most of the rap in the mainstream today (Infinte was talking about the Mainstream). You give me a piano, a guitar, a bass, drums, and I'll have a very difficult time coming up with anything. In gerenral it's harder to play instruments than play with a computer program (which it what most hip hop is today). Top level DJing and scratching maybe an art and a true talent but it has a very small place in today's mainstream hip hop scene (unfortunately).
Javier:
--- Quote ---However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song.
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--- Quote ---i taskes more talent to write and perfrom a mediocre Rock band hit than it does a very good rap song.
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So which one is it?
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 16, 2006, 10:31:49 AM ---However my main point was that it takes more talent to write and record an average rock song than it does to write and record an average hip hop song. You give me a computer, a stack of records to sample from, and a microphone and I my self will produce a rap song that isn't much worse than most of the rap in the mainstream today (Infinte was talking about the Mainstream). You give me a piano, a guitar, a bass, drums, and I'll have a very difficult time coming up with anything. In gerenral it's harder to play instruments than play with a computer program (which it what most hip hop is today). Top level DJing and scratching maybe an art and a true talent but it has a very small place in today's mainstream hip hop scene (unfortunately).
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No, you definitely could not. Even making "average" hip-hop beats is still like conducting a minor orchestra: It's all about arrangement. It's also important to keep in mind that sampling is (essentially) dead these days, and that most of the "samples" you hear on modern hip-hop records are actually played by other musicians (like on Dre's present-day records, where he has Scott Storch on the keyboards and Mike Elizondo doing guitar and bass). Hip-hop beats may be based upon a repetitive chord structure and looping, but coming up with something so catchy in the first place is still difficult. The average hip-hop beat is far more complex and has far more layers of depth than the average rock beat, IMO. Just look at all the beats available on Soundclick or in our own Lab section...do you really hear any that are even CLOSE to as good as what most hip-hop producers come up with? And those are made by cats who have computers, mics, and stacks of records to sample from.
Besides, it's interesting that you group all "rock" in the same category and say that just because it takes guitar, bass, and drums that means it takes more talent. Part of the appeal of punk in the 1970s' was that any frustrated British youth could basically get on stage and belt out some "glorious noise" even if they were inexperienced, and indeed, a lot of people wrote off punk as a genre for that reason. More recently, we've seen the same thing with Nirvana and the onset of "grunge" in the early-90s'.
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Knuckles on April 16, 2006, 06:47:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 16, 2006, 06:38:07 AM ---However, as Muslims we are only obligated to regard as forbidden what Allah has made forbidden for us in the Noble Qu'ran.
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Seriously, don't you think it's kind of pathetic that you base your life around what some dead guy says in a book? I just don't get it.
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Lot of things u dont get. Dont hurt yourself, buddy. Dont think too hard. Sit down, catch your breathe, have a drink of water.
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