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Easter?
nibs:
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So when did all this start happening for you? How old were you and how were you introduced to Islam and the Quran?
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infinite sent me a copy of the qu'ran in january, and i began studying it.
--- Quote ---P.S. I never felt the Gospel was a way to stay oppressed it just states you shouldn't commit evil to fight evil, but that no one can really be perfect so just make sure you are sorry when you do wrong and try harder to keep from doing it the next time.
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i agree that there are other ways to interpret the gospel; but the gospel has been used as a tool of oppression; and the emphasis on the afterlife has been used as a mechanism to subjugate conquered peoples.
i was in monterrey mexico last week (business \w a client based in mexico), i visited a couple local museums and was able to see some of the exhibits on the aztecs and other native cultures. it's one things to hear the story of how religion was theoretically used to subjugate peoples; it's extremely powerful to be able to see the actual tools that were used. they artifacts of crosses with an image representing the face of jesus blended along with other symbols of the native religions. indicating that "our god has dominated your gods"; and also tricking people to embrace and worship jesus along with the native customs. they also had artifacts of mary with the baby jesus and the back drop of native symbols and images. the usurping of the symbols of those native religions very closely parallels the catholic churches policy of adopting pagan holidays and reinterpretting them within christianity.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: nibs on April 17, 2006, 08:21:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 07:53:24 AM ---^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So when did all this start happening for you? How old were you and how were you introduced to Islam and the Quran?
--- End quote ---
infinite sent me a copy of the qu'ran in january, and i began studying it.
--- Quote ---P.S. I never felt the Gospel was a way to stay oppressed it just states you shouldn't commit evil to fight evil, but that no one can really be perfect so just make sure you are sorry when you do wrong and try harder to keep from doing it the next time.
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i agree that there are other ways to interpret the gospel; but the gospel has been used as a tool of oppression; and the emphasis on the afterlife has been used as a mechanism to subjugate conquered peoples.
i was in monterrey mexico last week (business \w a client based in mexico), i visited a couple local museums and was able to see some of the exhibits on the aztecs and other native cultures. it's one things to hear the story of how religion was theoretically used to subjugate peoples; it's extremely powerful to be able to see the actual tools that were used. they artifacts of crosses with an image representing the face of jesus blended along with other symbols of the native religions. indicating that "our god has dominated your gods"; and also tricking people to embrace and worship jesus along with the native customs. they also had artifacts of mary with the baby jesus and the back drop of native symbols and images. the usurping of the symbols of those native religions very closely parallels the catholic churches policy of adopting pagan holidays and reinterpretting them within christianity.
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So you've only been Muslim since January?
And who cares what people use in the name of a religion and what that has to do with a religion. The Turks used Islam to take over and oppress my ancestors for 400 years, and then used it kill 1.5 million Armenians in a holocaust, and whatever Greek they found, then sent all the Greeks in Turkey into Greece in hopes of there being more people than resources to take care of them. I never held Islam at fault because some jackass in Turkey enslaved my great great great great Grandfather and told him "you know if you were Muslim we couldn't enslave you", a nice little trick I'm sure that got many slaves to convert just to get out of bondage.
For the record I'm Orthodox Christian and the Cathloic Churches decision don't have much affect on me or how I believe. Even the Easter Eggs stem from a story that Mary Magdelene turned white eggs into red eggs infront of Caesar. I can read up on how Islam was created from the paganism in the area. The moon God Al ilah of the old Pagan arabs seems to some little connections to to aspects of Islamic beliefs.
africas seed:
many muslims nowadays use their religion as an excuse to commit horrific crimes just like some blinded Christians misused the name of Christ as an excuse for other crimes like the Crusades. there r always a few castaways that have no real knowledge or understanding of their religion and just use it as an excuse to pursue thier individual desire.
Kassem:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 09:27:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: nibs on April 17, 2006, 08:21:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 07:53:24 AM ---^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So when did all this start happening for you? How old were you and how were you introduced to Islam and the Quran?
--- End quote ---
infinite sent me a copy of the qu'ran in january, and i began studying it.
--- Quote ---P.S. I never felt the Gospel was a way to stay oppressed it just states you shouldn't commit evil to fight evil, but that no one can really be perfect so just make sure you are sorry when you do wrong and try harder to keep from doing it the next time.
--- End quote ---
i agree that there are other ways to interpret the gospel; but the gospel has been used as a tool of oppression; and the emphasis on the afterlife has been used as a mechanism to subjugate conquered peoples.
i was in monterrey mexico last week (business \w a client based in mexico), i visited a couple local museums and was able to see some of the exhibits on the aztecs and other native cultures. it's one things to hear the story of how religion was theoretically used to subjugate peoples; it's extremely powerful to be able to see the actual tools that were used. they artifacts of crosses with an image representing the face of jesus blended along with other symbols of the native religions. indicating that "our god has dominated your gods"; and also tricking people to embrace and worship jesus along with the native customs. they also had artifacts of mary with the baby jesus and the back drop of native symbols and images. the usurping of the symbols of those native religions very closely parallels the catholic churches policy of adopting pagan holidays and reinterpretting them within christianity.
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So you've only been Muslim since January?
And who cares what people use in the name of a religion and what that has to do with a religion. The Turks used Islam to take over and oppress my ancestors for 400 years, and then used it kill 1.5 million Armenians in a holocaust, and whatever Greek they found, then sent all the Greeks in Turkey into Greece in hopes of there being more people than resources to take care of them. I never held Islam at fault because some jackass in Turkey enslaved my great great great great Grandfather and told him "you know if you were Muslim we couldn't enslave you", a nice little trick I'm sure that got many slaves to convert just to get out of bondage.
For the record I'm Orthodox Christian and the Cathloic Churches decision don't have much affect on me or how I believe. Even the Easter Eggs stem from a story that Mary Magdelene turned white eggs into red eggs infront of Caesar. I can read up on how Islam was created from the paganism in the area. The moon God Al ilah of the old Pagan arabs seems to some little connections to to aspects of Islamic beliefs.
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your wrong here ,the moon god was called hubal .but in arabic when we say gods we say illah so ,before islam there was more the one god so hubal was called illah hubal and he was the moon god. islam doesn't have to do anything with the moon ,then when the ottamon khalifa started they took their one emblem and put it in every mosque ,to show their control over the region. so in arabic illah means one of the gods .allah means the god .thats like in english you call the hindu deties gods ,but call jesus god. so illah----gods allah----the god(one--no partner)
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 09:27:16 AM ---So you've only been Muslim since January?
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february.
--- Quote ---And who cares what people use in the name of a religion and what that has to do with a religion.
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i agree with you. you could see the hypocrisy in the actions of cortez who was espousing the teachings of christ and at the same time obsessed with the gold and wealth of the aztecs. his actions had no real correlation to the teachings of christ.
the point that i was making was that one reason i had interpretted the message of the new testament as one that subjugated was because of how it had been used to subjugate. how it had been interpretted as a message to accept oppression and look towards the afterlife.
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