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Easter?
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on April 18, 2006, 05:47:15 PM ---
It is not the religion, it's the heart of the man. Remember that.
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THANK YOU!
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Dat Nigga Ted aka The 10th Nazgûl on April 18, 2006, 02:23:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on March 30, 2006, 08:05:15 PM ---I'm your average white American citizen
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What I'm argueing is he contradictes himself in saying he is American, says Americans are living a lie, then thinks he isn't living a lie despite the fact that he is American.
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^^^ You purposely quoted me out of context. I was clearing up the confusion because before people know me at the forum, they automatically think I'm from somewhere else, or that I'm African American, because there is a stereotype out there that white people in America are not Muslims. So I have to clear up the stereotype by explaining first that I have an average white American background; then I follow up by explaining the influence Islam has had on my life and how it changed me.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on April 18, 2006, 05:47:15 PM ---
But instead of celebrating life, they mourn it. In the Middle East muthafucaz parade around BEATING THEMSELVES when holidays like these come around EVERY FUCKIN YEAR, it never ends. So it isn't because Americans are ABOUT family, it is because they are NOT! And I don't side with Americans, I side with pure logic.
Also, you're exposed and brain-washed by all the Anti-Americans, I don't agree with alot of the bullshit in America either, but I do side with logic and logic says that the percentage of people who are on hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine is MUCH higher in the Middle East, a mostly Muslim region. So don't stereotype, be real about your shit. Have you ever been to the ghettos of Middle East and seen muthafucaz play with needles every other hour like its cigarrets? These are the same people who pray 5 times a day. Does that make the religion of Islam a bad thing? No, the principles are beautiful.
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Rod, you shouldn't speak on behalf of the Muslim world because #1. you aren't a Muslim. Secondly, that practice you talk about of "BEATING THEMSELVES" is a practice that is not mentioned in the Qu'ran and was never done by the Prophet Muhammad (saws); it was actually a practice developed by a small percentage of Muslims to commemorate the assasination of the grandchildren of the Prophet Muhammad Hassan and Hussien (rahmatullah alaiy). Less than 10% of the Muslim world participates in that practice.
Also, Iran may have a drug problem, but that does not mean that the rest of the Muslim world does. 60% of Africa is Muslim, and the Muslim countries in Africa do not have drug problems. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world and they do not have a drug problem anywhere near the magnitude of the United States. etc., etc., etc.
Now, in your post you are measuring success and happiness in terms of wealth. America has proven itself to be excellent at accumulating wealth (nevermind for now that the wealth is hoarded by the top 1%, who has more wealth than the bottom 99%, or nevermind the fact that America has spent the last 50 years sabatoging the Iranian economy). However, America's wealth has nothing to do with Christianity, Western culture only became wealthy after they seperated from the church as a result of the renaissance. Islam experienced a millenium of economic prosperity while the Europe was in the dark ages. Islam does not discourage bussiness and trade as long as it is done in fairness. Infact, take Friday prayer for example (Friday is the most religious day of the week for Muslims), Allah does not tell Muslims to take the whole day off to pray, but rather he says to enjoin the midday prayer in congregation and then gives permission to go out and seek the bouties of the Lord in trade and commerce.
The whole fake it till you make it thing is not cool with me. I don't believe in being fake, I believe in keeping it real. I have different priorities then you. It's not worth it for me to be fake.
dexter:
--- Quote from: nibs on April 17, 2006, 06:14:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jrome The Marauder on April 16, 2006, 06:05:03 PM ---Why does it bother you if Christians celebrate Easter? I'm agnostic but it doesn't bother me in the least bit if people celebrate easter, hanukkah (i'm sure i butchered the spelling), ramadan, whatever. This day doesn't hold significance to me at all, but it does to others. So on a day that some people do find happiness, why does that bother you?
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most christian holidays do have pagan origins, so asking people their opinions on these holidays isn't necessarily an intolerant question. the catholic church hijacked and redefined many pagan holidays as a way of attracting christian converts.
there are several christian sects that do not support these holidays. jehovah's witnesses do not celebrate easter. seventh day adventists (i attended this church as a youth) acknowledge the pagan origins, but see no real harm in celebrating christmas or easter...etc. even if it is a pagan holiday that has adapted pagan symbolism; it's not like they start worshipping the pagan gods.
i don't see the harm in questioning the holiday, or asking people why they celebrate it. down in mexico they took the week off and were going to church everyday. that can't be a bad thing.
why isn't the effect to which the catholic church shaped the current direction of christianity, and the motivation behind those actions a valid question? the catholic influence represents an interesing shift in focus, as many of the early christians largely focused on understanding and following christ's teachings; yet the catholic church shifted that focus to a celebration of christ, and to a lesser extent mary. the easter holiday is a direct reflection of this.
i don't see this as an issue of intolerance.
PAGAN
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WestCoasta:
damn I love America, so sweet how we're #1
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