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ZILLA THA GOODFELLA:
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 18, 2006, 10:42:35 PM ---Rod, you shouldn't speak on behalf of the Muslim world because #1. you aren't a Muslim. Secondly, that practice you talk about of "BEATING THEMSELVES" is a practice that is not mentioned in the Qu'ran and was never done by the Prophet Muhammad (saws); it was actually a practice developed by a small percentage of Muslims to commemorate the assasination of the grandchildren of the Prophet Muhammad Hassan and Hussien (rahmatullah alaiy). Less than 10% of the Muslim world participates in that practice.
Also, Iran may have a drug problem, but that does not mean that the rest of the Muslim world does. 60% of Africa is Muslim, and the Muslim countries in Africa do not have drug problems. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world and they do not have a drug problem anywhere near the magnitude of the United States. etc., etc., etc.
Now, in your post you are measuring success and happiness in terms of wealth. America has proven itself to be excellent at accumulating wealth (nevermind for now that the wealth is hoarded by the top 1%, who has more wealth than the bottom 99%, or nevermind the fact that America has spent the last 50 years sabatoging the Iranian economy). However, America's wealth has nothing to do with Christianity, Western culture only became wealthy after they seperated from the church as a result of the renaissance. Islam experienced a millenium of economic prosperity while the Europe was in the dark ages. Islam does not discourage bussiness and trade as long as it is done in fairness. Infact, take Friday prayer for example (Friday is the most religious day of the week for Muslims), Allah does not tell Muslims to take the whole day off to pray, but rather he says to enjoin the midday prayer in congregation and then gives permission to go out and seek the bouties of the Lord in trade and commerce.
The whole fake it till you make it thing is not cool with me. I don't believe in being fake, I believe in keeping it real. I have different priorities then you. It's not worth it for me to be fake.
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I wasn't speaking on behalf of Muslims. You just love pointing out how I'm not a Muslim even though I'm Middle Eastern, like it matters to me. It's true, I don't practice Islam, so why should I label myself a Muslim since I'm Middle Eastern? All you see is extreme Muslims in your lil mosque and actually believe they represent majority of "Muslims". Well, here's the big secret....Most Muslims don't practice Islam. "Muslim" is just what they grew up as and usually they stay that way. When they say there are 1 billion Muslims in the world, they are measuring who is born into what. You act like Muslims are these superior non-sinning angels which they are not. And before you start talking shit about my family or people I hang out with, let me tell you that I've been to 11 different countries, lived in 4, from the slums to suburbs to murder capitals. I've analyzed all kinds of people, you have no clue what my life has been like, trust I know what I'm talking about. What's the point of a fake Muslim? It's non-sense. How can you do drugs, drink, party all night, fuck bitches, beat people up, commit all kinds of sins and then call yourself a Muslim because you pray to Allah 5 times a day and fast for 30 days? Maybe TECH or the majority of Muslims in my life can answer this for me, but then again, their answer won't make sense. If you aren't doing EXACTLY what Allah wants you to do, then you can't be a follower. So why label yourself a follower? A person like me truely believes that I won't go to hell for drinking, smokin and having relations with females. I truely believe I will go to heaven because I have a good heart and have been to places where I could have turned into a psycho just like the people I was riding with, but it was my good heart that turned me around after making so many mistakes. Does that make sense? I think it's a dis-respect to that religion or way of living to label myself something I don't follow or believe in. It's simple as that. Now if you wanna suck TECH's balls just because he labels himself a Muslim, be my guest. But just know that he represents over 80% of Muslims who pretty much follow this hypocracy. And I'm not exagerrating one bit. I've been to MANY churches, in some cases Christians are worse because they will lie their ass off infront of the cross in Church while they're fuckin everyone at that church. It's unbelivable. Although I have nothing against Tech, I'm sure me and him would get along just fine. I'm just making the point that we all know but choose to ignore.
Now let's see.... 60% of Africa might be Muslim, but more than 60% are also in Poverty, and they don't have access to drugs like they do in other parts of the world. Trust if they had access to that escape, they'd participate in it with all the hardships that they go through. Islam wouldn't get in the way of it for the majority of them. Even the most dedicated are human. And Indonesia? have you ever been there? I have, drugs are rare there also, plus it is a land of poverty for the most part. People in general aren't concerned with it in those areas. In both the Middle East and America, drugs are EVERYWHERE, word of mouth travels, money is being made, the governement has hands in it, therefore people have more access to it. And the problem isn't just in Iran LMAO... As a matter of fact they don't even like to see it as a problem in places like Afghanastan, Jordan, Sudan etc. Drugs abuse is normal just like female abuse out there. My whole point is, it isn't the religion. It's the heart of man and the society he's in.
And really, you're what I call a TRY-HARD. Most of your posts contain hate towards Christians, sometimes hidden but obvious, but at the same time you try to promote Islam. Well let me be the 1st to tell you how that does not work and never will.
Also, when I say "fake it till you make it", it isn't meant to be taken literally. It is all in the mind. I was only trying to show you how 'selling fantasies' to kids is actually a good thing and a confidence builder. But nevermind....I have no time to explain. I'm sure the people that want to understand will understand what I meant in my previous post.
WestCoasta:
^^^ best post ever, dude nailed it
--- Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on April 19, 2006, 05:04:35 PM ---You act like Muslims are these superior non-sinning angels which they are not.....
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--- Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on April 19, 2006, 05:04:35 PM ---What's the point of a fake Muslim? It's non-sense. How can you do drugs, drink, party all night, fuck bitches, beat people up, commit all kinds of sins and then call yourself a Muslim because you pray to Allah 5 times a day and fast for 30 days? If you aren't doing EXACTLY what Allah wants you to do, then you can't be a follower. So why label yourself a follower?
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yep, just like these fuckin terrorists, they claim to be the best muslims and the ones committing violence in the name of the muslim god
yet they go against all that shit that they learn..... it's just like some weirdo who fuckin kills people and then thinks cause he believes in God that he's on the good side, and ONLY because he's religious and loves God.... that's why I hate fuckin religion
EVERY RELIGION is contradicting and full of bullshit losers who are bitter about some shit
religious freaks are just lost souls, they lost their minds and they think pledging to God will get them to where they need to be and make everything great
sounds like this clown Amir Allah Dickhead posting here, probably got tired of bein a faggot lil white boy being made fun of so he got all anti-America and anti-people and fuck everyone mentality, and so he found some religious bullshit that he bought and now he knows all whats up with the world.... bitch I know what's up with the world, get at me
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on April 19, 2006, 05:04:35 PM ---
And really, you're what I call a TRY-HARD. Most of your posts contain hate towards Christians, sometimes hidden but obvious, but at the same time you try to promote Islam. Well let me be the 1st to tell you how that does not work and never will.
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The bottom line is all the stuff your talking means absolutely zero to me when it comes to me striving to be a better person. Because, I've already lived with your mentality before I was Muslim. What matters to me is that when I was 18 years old and I was lost and devoid of giudance, there was a Muslim, from a Muslim country, who did care about following the Qu'ran, and who did show me that there was a better way of life out there than the one I was living. That meant something to me.
(Now that I think about it, we did have an Iranian immigrant at my jr. high and high school who was like you, my only impression of her was that she wanted to be like us Americans. I never paid any attention to her)
You only follow your desires, there is nothing impressive about that, a bird can do that. A bird follows it's instincts, works to feed itself, has offspring, and teaches it's offspring how to feed itself. However, I believe that as men we do have to provide for ourselves and families, and every man is inclined towards sex; but we also have a higher purpose and that purpose is to worship our Creator.
You may say that there are many Muslims who don't follow Islam, but there are also many millions that do, I see them everyday. Some may have shortcomings but as long as they make repentence to their Creator for their sins, then Allah can forgive because he created the condition of sin and he created the condition of forgiveness. We came from our Creator, and we will return to our Creator, I believe we should spend our lives worshipping him as well.
BizzyR.I.P.:
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 19, 2006, 09:12:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on April 19, 2006, 05:04:35 PM ---
And really, you're what I call a TRY-HARD. Most of your posts contain hate towards Christians, sometimes hidden but obvious, but at the same time you try to promote Islam. Well let me be the 1st to tell you how that does not work and never will.
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Rod, your good at explaining yourself, and that's cool; you can go ahead and explain it to yourself. But all of that means zero to me. Your nothing new under the son. I have no doubt that there are thousands of people out there like you who don't care about following the Qu'ran or submitting to God, and just want to fullfill their desires. I'm totally aware of that. How do you think I grew up? What do you think I used to do back in the day?
But the bottom line is all the stuff your talking means absolutely zero to me. I've already lived with that mentality. What matters to me is that when I was 18 years old and I was lost and devoid of giudance, there was a Muslim, from a Muslim country, who did care about following the Qu'ran, and who did show me that there was a better way of life out there than the one I was living. I went to the masjid and found a whole community of people, everyone of them was more impressive than anyone I'd met previously in my life, I went to Hajj in Mekkah and found people from all over the striving to be better people and acting to please their Creator. So after you've seen and experienced that, why would I care about what your saying? Why would I be impressed with you? I know there are other people out there like you who come from Muslim countries and don't care about Islam. However, my focus is upon those who do, because they are a benefit to me and others.
And as far as Tech goes, he's way different than you. He is a Muslim. He identifies himself as a Muslim, and he makes repetence to his Creator for his sins.
You only follow your desires, there is nothing impressive about that, a bird can do that. A bird follows it's instincts, works to feed itself, has offspring, and teaches it's offspring how to feed itself. However, I believe that as men we do have to provide for ourselves and families, and every man is inclined towards sex; but we also have a higher purpose and that purpose is to worship our Creator.
You may say that there are many Muslims who don't follow Islam, but there are also many millions that do, I see them everyday.
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::) Dude your a fuckin lame. You don't care what Rod is saying because you went to Hajj in Mekkah and saw others as brainwashed as you? And if you haven't noticed its YOU who people don't take serious here.
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 19, 2006, 09:12:46 PM ---Rod, your good at explaining yourself, and that's cool; you can go ahead and explain it to yourself. But all of that means zero to me.
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Fallow your own advice. The funny thing is YOU started this topic and you are always starting topics about Muslims and what not and now that Rod Has come up with a good, well written arguement, you want him to keep it to himslef and it means zero to you.
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 19, 2006, 09:12:46 PM ---But the bottom line is all the stuff your talking means absolutely zero to me.
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It must mean something, becasue you post about Muslims all the time. Why does this Muslim issues mean nothing to you now?
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 18, 2006, 10:42:35 PM ---Also, Iran may have a drug problem, but that does not mean that the rest of the Muslim world does. 60% of Africa is Muslim, and the Muslim countries in Africa do not have drug problems. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world and they do not have a drug problem anywhere near the magnitude of the United States. etc., etc., etc.
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Yet another lie told by Infinte. Africa is 40% Muslim (same with Christianity) and both are spreading at a great rate. In fact there is great debate over which one is growing faster. The most populous country in Africa (Nigeria) is majority Christain and dosen't have a major drug problem.
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 19, 2006, 09:12:46 PM --- I went to the masjid and found a whole community of people, everyone of them was more impressive than anyone I'd met previously in my life, I went to Hajj in Mekkah and found people from all over the striving to be better people and acting to please their Creator. So after you've seen and experienced that, why would I care about what your saying? Why would I be impressed with you?[/i]
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I've been to a church IN LOS ANGELES when I was a kid (about 10 years old I think) and I saw women crying because they were so moved by worshiping and by the presence of God. Most of these people will think about the Lord in life as much as you any Muslim will think about Allah. So I ask you "So after you've seen and experienced that, why would I care about what your saying? Why would I be impressed with you?"
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