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M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 18, 2010, 07:03:01 PM ---the WWF is running on Diesel Power
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Please take that back. Please!
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Can't, watch WWF 1994-1995.
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I watched it religiously, but to say that it was running on Diesel Power would mean it would have made less money with out Diesel, and that is simply wrong. We're talking about a time when Diesel as champ was playing second fiddle to NFL Linebacker Lawrence Taylor who was main eventing Wrestlemania. Diesel Power wasn't running shit.
Most people sat 13 was the worst Mania but at least 13 had Hart/Austin. What did 11 have? A mid carder facing a non draw for the world title and it wasn't even that last match? C'mon.
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Well you might be right, at the time Kevin Nash had a year long reign, and he was built, not saying he was but he was built, as the WWF's top man. The WWF took the title off him when it looked like he wasn't going to resign, and then they tried to have the Undertaker bury him at Wrestlemania 12, but when he showed up to WCW it got people talkiing. Him and Hall showing up had people talking about the WWF's biggest names in WCW, then once you turned Hogan heel it was over. But Nash was a big enough name in the WWF that it showed when people actually tuned in to see WCW because of him. Here's the thing, I have no problem saying that Kevin Nash in 1996 was more important to the WWF than anyone is to the WWE, except MAYBE Cena. Not saying I'm a Nash fan, I loved the Outsiders, not really a fan of Diesel, but Diesel was the biggest name in the New Generation for a year. Eventually McMahon got smart and put the title back on Bret.
Sikotic™:
I can't remember a singles Diesel/Kevin Nash match against someone that I ever really liked.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 20, 2010, 10:13:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 20, 2010, 10:54:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 19, 2010, 01:25:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 19, 2010, 12:38:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on March 18, 2010, 07:03:01 PM ---the WWF is running on Diesel Power
--- End quote ---
Please take that back. Please!
--- End quote ---
Can't, watch WWF 1994-1995.
--- End quote ---
I watched it religiously, but to say that it was running on Diesel Power would mean it would have made less money with out Diesel, and that is simply wrong. We're talking about a time when Diesel as champ was playing second fiddle to NFL Linebacker Lawrence Taylor who was main eventing Wrestlemania. Diesel Power wasn't running shit.
Most people sat 13 was the worst Mania but at least 13 had Hart/Austin. What did 11 have? A mid carder facing a non draw for the world title and it wasn't even that last match? C'mon.
--- End quote ---
Well you might be right, at the time Kevin Nash had a year long reign, and he was built, not saying he was but he was built, as the WWF's top man. The WWF took the title off him when it looked like he wasn't going to resign, and then they tried to have the Undertaker bury him at Wrestlemania 12, but when he showed up to WCW it got people talkiing. Him and Hall showing up had people talking about the WWF's biggest names in WCW, then once you turned Hogan heel it was over. But Nash was a big enough name in the WWF that it showed when people actually tuned in to see WCW because of him. Here's the thing, I have no problem saying that Kevin Nash in 1996 was more important to the WWF than anyone is to the WWE, except MAYBE Cena. Not saying I'm a Nash fan, I loved the Outsiders, not really a fan of Diesel, but Diesel was the biggest name in the New Generation for a year. Eventually McMahon got smart and put the title back on Bret.
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I'm not denying he was as popular as anyone else in the company, then and now, and I'm not denying he was a huge factor inthe WCW turn around, but so was Hall.
What I am firmly saying is complete false is that the WWF ever needed Deisel to make money. It was during a time where Vince had lost his inspiration and he was just throwing stuff at the wall hoping it'd stick. Shortly before Deisel's reign Yokozuna had the belt for almost a year too.
In Deisel's and HBK's, and later HHH's case it was merely a case of the clique getting on Vince's good side and Vince thinking he can make anyone a star. None of these guys were ever real draws on their own. When the Outsiders fell apart Nash lost all appeal. HBK was always someone people loved to see but not came to see, and HHH is the most overrated non-draw champ of all time.
Anytime your champ is playing second fiddle to another match on the card he isn't that important to the company. In between Hogan and Austin the WWF had no one that was essential to the business. Some were better than others but each was easily replaced. They could have made just as much or more money feuding Flair and Piper until WM9. They could have built up Taker to win at WM10, or even Luger or Bulldog and made as much cash as they did with Bret. They could have easily made more money with Vader instead of HBK or Deisel. There was a few WCW guys they could have brought in to keep the money flowing, like Sting, kept Flair longer, or brought back Savage.
In my lifetime these are the only guys that either company needed to make the money they made
Hogan
Flair
Austin
Rock
Andre for WM3
to a lesser extent
Road Warriors
Dusty
80s Savage
Warrior for that one year
Goldberg for less than one year
Everyone else was replaceable and could have had another wrestler plugged into their push or feud. Except for Sting in Starrcade 97 alone.
Mo Z. Dizzle:
Destination X starting soon.
I hope my laptop can hold up lol.
edit: anybody have a decent, stable link?
Sikotic™:
Here you go Dizzle:
http://www.p2p4u.net/watch/14521/1/watch-tna-destination-x.html
The Ultimate X match between Gen Me and the Mahcine Guns is up right now. Should be match of the night.
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