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M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 16, 2013, 09:43:22 AM ---If only the nWo never added Bischoff. I think that was when the nWo went too far. I remember seeing Bischoff joining the nWo and changing the channel. Bischoff believed too much in it to completely bury it with Hogan, Savage and Brutus. The nWo was fresh, and it Hart joined instead of Hogan, it still would have been big. Also remember that the last time anyone saw Hogan was in the god awful Dungeon of Doom match were the Mega Powers defeated the Dungeon or Doom AND the 4 Horsemen. Maybe Hogan would have stayed away for a bit while longer while the nWo runs wild on WCW, allowing the nWo to gain enough momentum so that Bischoff still felt invested enough to join. Then Bischoff join would have made sense. But when you had Ted DiBiase and Vincent, there was no reason at all to have Bischoff join. Oh well. Let's live in the now.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HGgvBfbohQ0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
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I think it would have half buried itself, and Hogan's return as "the man that built the company that is invading" would have cemented the beginning of the end. I was joking about Ed Leslie. In reality it would have most likely have been Hogan, Luger, Sting, and Savage vs Hall, Nash, Bret, and fake Sting at War Games. Sting cleans house and Hogan chases after him, then Bret gets the win on Savage. Hogan then gets the win on Bret at Starcade and a grey area Crow Sting vs baby face Hogan gets built for Starcade 97.
Bret, Hall and Nash simply wouldn't be able to carry the nWo they way Hollywood Hulk Hogan did. He carried it too far but Bret is half the talent when it comes to marketing himself as a star and with out the Go Canada fire behind him he wouldn't work so well as a heel. Nash could never really get over on his own, and Hall would have been in and out of rehab. The concept that Hulk Hogan became a bad guy gave that company new life and the WCW milked it for all they could and then even after they couldn't anymore. No way does the nWo last until 98.
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You might be right. But I think the coolness that the Outsiders did bring was within itself a run until Starcade '97. With Hogan though, I really wish the nWo never included Bischoff. that was over kill. The nWo to me should have stayed the original Syxx (get it) members with DiBiase and Vincent getting involved. You had Hogan, Hall, Nash, the Giant, Fake Sting and Syxx, with DiBiase and Vincent financing the whole thing, that was enough to be believable.
Related note, the wrestlers best known as the Godfather was suppose to be the nWo enforcer. Charles Wright was contacted to join WCW and be the nWo enforcer in 1996, but was later told by Bischoff that he wasn't needed anymore. Turns out Virgil/Vincent, Mike Jones, took the role for a third of the cost as Charles Wright. Now imagine the nWo actually being all WWF wrestlers who jumped. Bret Hart, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sean Waltman and Charles Wright with Ted DiBiase as manager. They might have had to lean on DiBiase more in terms of the mouth piece, but that's an interesting roster to think about.
Shallow:
I agree that the nWo should never have expanded the way it did but I Bischoff wasa great heel and a great move. Your nWo should have been at it's biggest; Hogan, Nash, Hall, Syxx, Giant, Buff and Norton, and Bischoff. When Bischoff joins he says he is the man in charge of the money of WCW, as ordered by Ted Turner, and anyone that doesn't join nWo will not get paid. This is how and why Giant joins.
With most of the roster in the ring Bischoff gives everyone else the ultimatem. The top guys all stay strong but the young guys would be torn because they want to make a living. Dusty would be the WCW old timer trying to keep everyone together. This would all be around the real life Time Warner takeover of of Turner TV in October 96. The answer comes when Ric Flair interupts Bischoff and says Ted Turner made you the boss but Ted Turner isn't the man in charge. WCW is now recently acquired by big business and there's a lot of moving and shaking going on. Ric says he reached out to an old friend who bought up a huge amount of Time Warner stock and appointed himself the new man in charge of WCW; this is where Ted Dibiase comes in to the picture.
The idea is that with Hogan turned heel you have all his old enemies turning face out of sheer hatred for him. It already happened with Heenan and Flair, and Dibiase is a logical step. He gets lost joining the nWo, and never really looks good standing with Hogan, so I think he'd be better face.
From here we get the War Games, with the fake Sting joining earlier as SDting wanting to get paid, before Dibiasi, and that plays out the same way. Starcade 96 is Hogan going over Luger. And Crow Sting emerging the same way he did. The difference I would make from here is War Games 97 being the Road Warriors and Ultimate Warrior getting Sting to join them going against Hall, Nash, Giant, and fake Sting. Hogan being "injured". Sting wins by beating fake Sting and has his warriors in the back keeping the nWo from interfering for Starcade 97 and beats Hogan 123 (with out the fake fast 3 count).
The rest of the card is
DDP and Booker over the Outsiders
Dibiase over Bischoff
Jericho over Syxx for the Cruiserweight Title
Buff and Norton over the Steiners for the tag titles (the young WCW guys of the nWo winning and later in the year joining with heel turned Big Poppa Pump)
Benoit over Giant in a David vs Goliath match
The next year you have an established DDP, Benoit, Goldberg on the way, and Sting vs Bret being built to Starcade 98.
But I'm just daydreaming outloud.
O.G A.Geesta'z:
C'mon lets be real... NWO wouldnt have been half as fun if Bret or Sting joined... Hogan was THE man, i hate him now but as a kid he was every kids dream. i was a big Razor/Bret mark growing up especially Bret but even then looking back i dont think it would of went over well, Hogan had all the kids on his side but the adults really didnt care for him too much until he joined NWO then he became way more cooler and the adult fan base and kids both liked NWO because of it
Its like nowadays just like what they did with Ryback turning him heel against Cena, its really just to get over with all the adults that hate Cena and wanna see him lose because Ryback is well over with the kids
If Cena would go heel and join the Shield lets say... he could make the Shield alot cooler and get respect from the adults the way Hogan did, because lets face it Cena is the new Hulk, kids love him but the adult fan base might respect him but dont like him yet (atleast thats how i feel) only way to get over it to do what Hogan did and do whats cool and be a bad guy for once
thats why Punk is so over with the adult fan base way more then the kids, i know so many people going for him to beat Takers streak, and i personally like CM Punk as a heel and face because he can do a good job at both, same with Randy Orton, Lesnar, Mr. H's, HBK and the list goes on
all Cena has to do is put himself over that hump but it will never happen until he's considered an old school wrestler like all the others
M Dogg™:
For a long time, the Shield never attacked Cena. I had really hope that it was because Cena was behind the Shield the whole time. I was hoping that Cena would be using the Shield as sort of a Superman gone wrong story line, like when Superman goes rogue and then sets up a dictatorship. I was hoping the WWE was doing that with Cena. Then they exposed Heyman paying the Shield and Cena was attacked by the Shield and I realized they'd never be that smart.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2013, 08:15:10 AM ---For a long time, the Shield never attacked Cena. I had really hope that it was because Cena was behind the Shield the whole time. I was hoping that Cena would be using the Shield as sort of a Superman gone wrong story line, like when Superman goes rogue and then sets up a dictatorship. I was hoping the WWE was doing that with Cena. Then they exposed Heyman paying the Shield and Cena was attacked by the Shield and I realized they'd never be that smart.
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It's a cool idea but too soon I think. You don't want his core fan base to be heartbroken because he still is the undeniable top face of the company, and the fans that love him are going to hate him, and not really get behind the baby face to oppose him the way they get behind Cena. When Hogan turned the kids that loved him were already grown up enough to love the turn, and the kids that got behind Sting were never as in to Hogan as the kids are into Cena right now.
Look at the Austin heel turn. Albiet it was done poorly, but it more turned people off rather than turned people against Austin. Timing is key.
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