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Should we legalize drugs?
coola:
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 04, 2006, 10:28:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 03, 2006, 05:51:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 03, 2006, 10:59:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 03, 2006, 02:32:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 02, 2006, 11:27:03 AM ---The only reason a bong is hurting your throats is most likely because you take in a lot more smoke at once with a bong. Bongs also DO NOT waste less weed, they wast the most weed, because you're burning the weed directly with a flame...Lets see how many more "rumors" I can disprove in this thread...
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joints are burning constantly, you have smoke which goes into the air which is un-smoked. if you smoke a bong slowly, you will smoke every last granule of it. without wasting it unless you cough it out.
when you smoke bongs, the smoke reaches parts of your lungs which joints/blunts/pipes cant reach. you take in more smoke, and the smoke travels deaper. you also get water vapour in your lungs from the smoke passing through h20.
ask anyone that takes drugs, what has greater side effects, coke or ecstacy. ecstacy is even graded class B drug, not like free-base, coke, crack coke, ice or heroin, all of these are class A drugs.
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Okay, I'm sorry, but you're just ignorant. Even when they sell you a bong, they have signs that tell you how "water-pipes" filter the smoke and remove 50% of toxins from smoke. I didn't even think this was debatable, when you're smoking a joint, it's not filtered whatsoever, the smoke is passing straight into your lungs, which is really bad for you. I can't even believe I'm debating this...And I can't believe I have to debate whether ecstacy is worse for you than coke...WCC is a funny place...LOL
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oh yes, because smoke passing through water is a magical filter... think before you speak. it makes it smoother thats true, doesnt mean it's safer.
and coke has far worse ramifications mentally than ecstasy.
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Are you okay? Someone just posted a fucking article for you which contained proof, genius. How can you argue research? You're ignorant, stop spreading misinformation... :-X
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ok but my g.p told me bongs are worse, the smoke travels deeper into the lungs.
still, youre wrong about bongs wasting weed.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 04, 2006, 04:23:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 04, 2006, 10:28:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 03, 2006, 05:51:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 03, 2006, 10:59:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 03, 2006, 02:32:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 02, 2006, 11:27:03 AM ---The only reason a bong is hurting your throats is most likely because you take in a lot more smoke at once with a bong. Bongs also DO NOT waste less weed, they wast the most weed, because you're burning the weed directly with a flame...Lets see how many more "rumors" I can disprove in this thread...
--- End quote ---
joints are burning constantly, you have smoke which goes into the air which is un-smoked. if you smoke a bong slowly, you will smoke every last granule of it. without wasting it unless you cough it out.
when you smoke bongs, the smoke reaches parts of your lungs which joints/blunts/pipes cant reach. you take in more smoke, and the smoke travels deaper. you also get water vapour in your lungs from the smoke passing through h20.
ask anyone that takes drugs, what has greater side effects, coke or ecstacy. ecstacy is even graded class B drug, not like free-base, coke, crack coke, ice or heroin, all of these are class A drugs.
--- End quote ---
Okay, I'm sorry, but you're just ignorant. Even when they sell you a bong, they have signs that tell you how "water-pipes" filter the smoke and remove 50% of toxins from smoke. I didn't even think this was debatable, when you're smoking a joint, it's not filtered whatsoever, the smoke is passing straight into your lungs, which is really bad for you. I can't even believe I'm debating this...And I can't believe I have to debate whether ecstacy is worse for you than coke...WCC is a funny place...LOL
--- End quote ---
oh yes, because smoke passing through water is a magical filter... think before you speak. it makes it smoother thats true, doesnt mean it's safer.
and coke has far worse ramifications mentally than ecstasy.
--- End quote ---
Are you okay? Someone just posted a fucking article for you which contained proof, genius. How can you argue research? You're ignorant, stop spreading misinformation... :-X
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ok but my g.p told me bongs are worse, the smoke travels deeper into the lungs.
still, youre wrong about bongs wasting weed.
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LMAO. Do I really need to MAKE you admit you were wrong about this one too? Bongs don't waste weed, burning weed with a direct flame does...Once again, it doesn't take a genius to know that...
coola:
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 04, 2006, 04:37:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 04, 2006, 04:23:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 04, 2006, 10:28:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 03, 2006, 05:51:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 03, 2006, 10:59:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Habeeb Chief Mohammed Chubacca Imam Wookie Hadooken on May 03, 2006, 02:32:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 02, 2006, 11:27:03 AM ---The only reason a bong is hurting your throats is most likely because you take in a lot more smoke at once with a bong. Bongs also DO NOT waste less weed, they wast the most weed, because you're burning the weed directly with a flame...Lets see how many more "rumors" I can disprove in this thread...
--- End quote ---
joints are burning constantly, you have smoke which goes into the air which is un-smoked. if you smoke a bong slowly, you will smoke every last granule of it. without wasting it unless you cough it out.
when you smoke bongs, the smoke reaches parts of your lungs which joints/blunts/pipes cant reach. you take in more smoke, and the smoke travels deaper. you also get water vapour in your lungs from the smoke passing through h20.
ask anyone that takes drugs, what has greater side effects, coke or ecstacy. ecstacy is even graded class B drug, not like free-base, coke, crack coke, ice or heroin, all of these are class A drugs.
--- End quote ---
Okay, I'm sorry, but you're just ignorant. Even when they sell you a bong, they have signs that tell you how "water-pipes" filter the smoke and remove 50% of toxins from smoke. I didn't even think this was debatable, when you're smoking a joint, it's not filtered whatsoever, the smoke is passing straight into your lungs, which is really bad for you. I can't even believe I'm debating this...And I can't believe I have to debate whether ecstacy is worse for you than coke...WCC is a funny place...LOL
--- End quote ---
oh yes, because smoke passing through water is a magical filter... think before you speak. it makes it smoother thats true, doesnt mean it's safer.
and coke has far worse ramifications mentally than ecstasy.
--- End quote ---
Are you okay? Someone just posted a fucking article for you which contained proof, genius. How can you argue research? You're ignorant, stop spreading misinformation... :-X
--- End quote ---
ok but my g.p told me bongs are worse, the smoke travels deeper into the lungs.
still, youre wrong about bongs wasting weed.
--- End quote ---
LMAO. Do I really need to MAKE you admit you were wrong about this one too? Bongs don't waste weed, burning weed with a direct flame does...Once again, it doesn't take a genius to know that...
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you only light the first part of the cone, then let it char until its ash... amatuers like you probably get too excited and whip it through before it's burnt.
TraceOneInfinite:
As for legalizing drugs. It probably depends on the drug. For example, I consider alcohol to be worse than marijuana. Allah specifically forbids alcohol in the Qu'ran. He says in it there is some good, but the bad outwieghs the good, so therefore he forbids it completely. Allah also mentions obstaining from all things harmful and not letting our own hands contribute to our destruction.
America has a drug problem that goes deeper than smoking weed and sniffing cocaine. America is also addicted to perscription drugs and over the counter medicine. Infact, coffee is a stimulant, and if you took that away from American's for one day this country would shut down.
One thing I don't agree with is throwing all these non-violent drug offenders in prison. That's attacking an outgrowth of the problem but it's not getting to the root of the tree. Imam Jamil Al Amin explains beautifully the roots of America's problems with addiction...
"This society arouses within you desires and passions that make you seek to escape reality by being high. Everything is geared toward keeping you in a state of euphoria. One holiday follows the next: Christmas to New Years, to Easter, to Mothers Day, to Fathers Day, to the NBA playoffs, to the Superbowl, to the Championship fights, to Olympics. Everything keeps you high. Everything is geared towards keeping you away from encountering reality, everything is geared to keep you from remembering God. The problem is not so much crack and cocaine, but that we live in a system that can infect, that develops within you an appetite to divorce yourself from reality. Therefore when intoxicants are introduced to you as a physical experience, you have already been conditioned spiritually and mentally. A condition has been created where you begin to oppress yourself in a state that is unnatural."
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam Abdul-Infinite Abu Muhammad Uthman on May 04, 2006, 11:28:11 PM ---As for legalizing drugs. It probably depends on the drug. For example, I consider alcohol to be worse than marijuana. Allah specifically forbids alcohol in the Qu'ran. He says in it there is some good, but the bad outwieghs the good, so therefore he forbids it completely. Allah also mentions obstaining from all things harmful and not letting our own hands contribute to our destruction.
America has a drug problem that goes deeper than smoking weed and sniffing cocaine. America is also addicted to perscription drugs and over the counter medicine. Infact, coffee is a stimulant, and if you took that away from American's for one day this country would shut down.
One thing I don't agree with is throwing all these non-violent drug offenders in prison. That's attacking an outgrowth of the problem but it's not getting to the root of the tree. Imam Jamil Al Amin explains beautifully the roots of America's problems with addiction...
"This society arouses within you desires and passions that make you seek to escape reality by being high. Everything is geared toward keeping you in a state of euphoria. One holiday follows the next: Christmas to New Years, to Easter, to Mothers Day, to Fathers Day, to the NBA playoffs, to the Superbowl, to the Championship fights, to Olympics. Everything keeps you high. Everything is geared towards keeping you away from encountering reality, everything is geared to keep you from remembering God. The problem is not so much crack and cocaine, but that we live in a system that can infect, that develops within you an appetite to divorce yourself from reality. Therefore when intoxicants are introduced to you as a physical experience, you have already been conditioned spiritually and mentally. A condition has been created where you begin to oppress yourself in a state that is unnatural."
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drug addicts are usually involved in crime, buglaries theft etc. so yeah prison is where they should be, they probably account for 70% of the crime we have. some addicts evenb agree prison is the best place for them. Personally i don't think we have enough prisons, sentences are too lenient only to stop are prisons overflowing.
One of my old friends (i fell out with him a few months back) went inside because he almost killed someone, to be honest he should of got attempted murder or something, his solicitor even said he should have got that, he beat this guy up with a fence post and then stamped on his head a fair few times. i can't remember the specific charge he was on but it was one of the worst ones, he got minimum sentence 13 months and he was out in 6.
kinda moved off subject there back to the addicts..........
'Send us to jail' women beg judge
Two heroin addicts pleaded with a north Wales judge to send them to jail so they could kick their drugs habits.
The two women, in separate cases, told a district judge at Flintshire on Friday that they would re-offend if they were not given prison sentences.
Georgina Webster, 32, of Ruabon near Wrexham, was jailed for 28 days after she said seven days was too short a sentence.
Sarah Reade, 26, of Mostyn, Flintshire, received three months.
District Judge Andrew Shaw, sitting at Flintshire magistrates court in Mold, said the two cases were classic examples of the way drugs ruined lives.
He said: "People do not realise the effect of drugs. They are really sad cases."
But the probation service and the North East Wales NHS Trust both questioned whether prison was the best place for someone who was trying to beat their addiction.
The only way I can beat this is to go back to prison
Drug addict Sarah Reade
Webster said she was getting desperate and was worried what she might do if she stayed out of prison.
She said that the drugs rehabilitation authorities were unable to provide her with a methadone prescription until the end of the month.
Webster told the court: "I know I will re-offend. The only way I can see it out and to protect the general public, the supermarkets and myself is to go to prison."
She admitted theft, being in breach of a conditional discharge, and failing to answer bail on an earlier occasion.
The judge questioned her closely on whether she really knew what she was doing.
But Webster said it was impossible to give up drugs in the community.
She added: "I know what to expect. Being blunt, I am getting to a point where I am afraid of what I might do. I am getting desperate."
"I have been a heroin addict now for nearly seven years. I have never had a break. That is what I need now."
'Doubtful benefit'
Auxiliary nurse Reade also said the only way she could beat her heroin addiction was to go back to prison.
Reade, who brought bags with her into court ready for a prison sentence, admitted handling stolen property, shoplifting, and driving while disqualified.
She told the court: "The only way I can beat this is to go back to prison."
Ray Murphy, assistant chief officer for the probation service in north Wales, said he had no specific knowledge of the two cases, but told the BBC the women might have the chance in prison to "de-tox in forced circumstances".
But he cautioned: "Prisons have a reputation for being places where you can get drugs of the soft kind or the harder kind - that's what offenders say.
I would urge the two ladies to contact the drug service for wherever they live
NHS service manager Godfrey Hayes
"I guess sending two women to prison for six weeks might well serve as a punishment and to protect the public but as far as rehabilitation is concerned it's of doubtful benefit."
Mr Murphy told the BBC News website that if her sentence had a condition of attending a rehabilitation programme, the probation service would "see to that immediately".
Godfrey Hayes, from the North East Wales NHS Trust, said waiting times for referrals to drug treatment centres in the area had been greatly reduced.
People are seen within 10 days for assessment and treatment should begin within 30 days.
"We're still not happy with that but we have gone from 18 months to 10 days," Mr Hayes said.
He added: "I would urge the two ladies to contact the drug service for wherever they live."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/wales/4610874.stm
Published: 2006/01/14 08:59:15 GMT
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