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Questions for those who aren't religious...
ZILLA THA GOODFELLA:
--- Quote from: 7 don't need to brag 'bout how muthafuckin' Active he iz on May 30, 2006, 10:23:56 AM ---What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.
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Interesting point, but empty. You don't pray demanding, you pray hoping. Like I always tell the homies when it comes to different situations: God bless your soul if you think you're in control.
Don Seer:
--- Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Abdul-Infinite Islam Abu Muhammad Uthman on May 30, 2006, 10:20:23 AM ---Alot of people in the West reject religion because all they've been exposed to is Christianity and primarily the New Testament. The night was so cold and dark for them that every night they awaited "the RISING of the SUN". So naturally for them, they concocted the story of God's Sun Rising aka Jesus being the Sun of God and the Ressurection. Check these 4 verses...
Old Testament:
"The heavens (the morning sky) are declaring the Glory of God." Ps 19:1
New Testament:
"Jesus is the Glory of God." 2 Cor 4:6
Old Testament:
"The SUN of Righteousness will arise!"
New Testament:
"God's son... he has risen!" Matt 4:16
^^^ All the above concepts are rejected in man's true religion Islam. One cannot reject religion alltogether until they have studied Islam which is submission to the Highest Creator without any created intermediary.
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your post is 1) off topic and 2) promoting religious hatred.
if you dont see WHY seek counselling.
Strike 1.
QuietTruth:
--- Quote from: Adon on May 30, 2006, 10:10:49 AM ---Do you ever take time out to reflect on your life?
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Always.
--- Quote from: Adon on May 30, 2006, 10:10:49 AM ---Are you thankful for everything you have?
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Of Course.
--- Quote from: Adon on May 30, 2006, 10:10:49 AM ---Who do you thank?
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Ones who deserve to be thanked...and yes including god.
--- Quote from: 7 don't need to brag 'bout how muthafuckin' Active he iz on May 30, 2006, 10:23:56 AM ---What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.
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But I don't get how you can control God. Doesn't he control you?
7even:
--- Quote from: QuietTruth on May 30, 2006, 11:57:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: 7 don't need to brag 'bout how muthafuckin' Active he iz on May 30, 2006, 10:23:56 AM ---What about this... if you are thankful to God for what you have... doesn't that mean that you think you have CONTROL OVER GOD? If he responds to your worship, prayer and faith with blessings, doesn't that mean you can control him, manipulate his actions and basically USE him to your advantage? Don't you think that would be a little too much? LOL.
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But I don't get how you can control God. Doesn't he control you?
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If god responds to your prayer, you do control him. If god treats you differently when you're a good person, you do control him. By acting a certain way (not killing people, not stealing, praying, repentence, etc etc) you do control god, that is, if he rewards your "good" behavior with cool stuff to happen in your life.
To a certain extend, he does control you as well, yes. But as soon as he treats you differently because of your behavior, you can USE him by behaving in a certain way. It's like getting money from your grandma because you're always nice, although she's annoying, because you know she'll give you the damn money if you're nice, and you want the god damn money don't cha?
Also, how can it be taken as real "good" acting, if you're just doing it so god supports you and makes your life better?
Trauma-san:
Man, you really ought to go to school for a while longer before you bring that bullshit up. All of your objections are little childish shit that most people get over in about an hour of reading the koran/bible/ whatever. I can see your personality, you're the type that argues with people over pedantic shit that nobody can 'prove' or explain to you, because your mind misses even the little obvious shit.
Here's some help for you, just this once.
1. you can't talk somebody that believes in god, out of believing in god, because ultimately any kind of religion or 'faith' is about just that: faith. No religion can be proven, and the existance of God can't be proven, because every religion relies on faith. Faith is believing in something even though you cannot see it.
So argue, bitch, whine, moan all you want, the fact stands that anything you object to regarding the existance of God can be explained away by faith.
Your only argument is: I don't have faith.
So instead of bitching or whining or fighting with people about it, just say you don't believe, you have no faith.
Overseer chimied in above on this post: he doesn't believe in God. Nobody fights with him about it. You know whY? ... because he realizes other people have faith in god, and doesn't care, and others realize he has no faith, and don't care about that either.
There's no use arguing about it, the arguments on this board are so childish and petty becuase you can explain all of them away with the most rudimentary, fundamental truths of religion or faith or whatever. Either somebody believes or they don't.
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