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believing the unproven (god)
Don Seer:
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--- Quote from: Overseer on May 30, 2006, 03:26:25 PM ---even as a kid under 5 years old being 'tricked' at sunday school i saw through the scams of them saying "taste this in the cup" (it was salt water) ..
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Wtf?
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yup.. sunday school.. back of a dusty church in some annexed room.. passing around cups with salty water.. "here kids have these cups".. i watched the sunday school lady make them.. and she was all "clsoe your eyes and sip" etc etc.. telling the kids that this was jesus's tears... i was like "blah".. as you would with salty water.. and she was trying to lay this guilt trip shit on (no it wasnt a roman cathlic church either.. i'm christened COE (church of england therefore protestant).. i was having none of it.
i do remember being 'excluded' from games etc because i wouldn't conform. muthafuckas!
Jip:
--- Quote from: Overseer on May 30, 2006, 03:26:25 PM ---my personal opinion.
i _never_ believed. even as a kid under 5 years old being 'tricked' at sunday school i saw through the scams of them saying "taste this in the cup" (it was salt water) .. "thats jesus's tears" ... etc etc.. even at that age i knew it was a scam. i thought the other kids were idiots..
from having a feeling of being pushed into christianity against my will from a young age by various factors
this then turned into an abject distaste for all forms of religion as i saw it as a method of control.
then one day years later i spoke to a vicar at his home, i was only there as i was friends with his foster son. and he said something to me then which suprised me, and which has stuck.
i dont know how we got to that point, but he said.. something along the lines of.. its not about believing in god or not. but whether you believe in the principles laid down in the bible
in other words.. don't take it literally.. word for word. but view it as guidelines to living a righteous life.
this coming from the vicar of my local chapel was a revelation.
i stil have a hatred for people who try to use religion to bully, or control people, or who try to belittle non religious people, or opposiing faiths. but i'm at peace with those who can be at peace with everyone else.
i'm not a follower..
the science.
as i said in the other post.. there is a gene that people who believe are more likely to have.
going by the above.. i don't have it.
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i remember when i was a child, my mother never got me or my sister christened or anything along those lines as she was forced into catholism when she was younger
she would tell us how her mother couldnt be bothered to take her and her sisters to church one sunday and not to tell their father
and the next day at school(catholic) the priest or whatever he was shouted at them that they would and i quote "burn in hell for not going to church"
yelling this at children is wrong
Don Seer:
^ i know a similar thing
the wife of my boss started going to a church.. and he's a very non-relgious guy.. a bit of a wise ass..
and he told us that she would come home upset sometimes because they were telling her that once they died they'd be apart because of course.. she was going to heaven, and him to hell!!!
as i mentioned before.. there is no problem with religion.. just the people who use it to control and manipulate. power corrupts..
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: Overseer on May 30, 2006, 03:33:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Malik Ted aka The 10th Nazgûl on May 30, 2006, 03:30:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Overseer on May 30, 2006, 03:26:25 PM ---even as a kid under 5 years old being 'tricked' at sunday school i saw through the scams of them saying "taste this in the cup" (it was salt water) ..
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Wtf?
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yup.. sunday school.. back of a dusty church in some annexed room.. passing around cups with salty water.. "here kids have these cups".. i watched the sunday school lady make them.. and she was all "clsoe your eyes and sip" etc etc.. telling the kids that this was jesus's tears... i was like "blah".. as you would with salty water.. and she was trying to lay this guilt trip shit on (no it wasnt a roman cathlic church either.. i'm christened COE (church of england therefore protestant).. i was having none of it.
i do remember being 'excluded' from games etc because i wouldn't conform. muthafuckas!
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Overseer the rebel. That's a sickening thought that they'd want someone to beilive that they are drinking tears. I've never had a Sunday School class like that. Must be you crazy Euros. :P
nibs:
(Overseer) - i _never_ believed.
blind faith is largely unsatisfactory. i agree there.
(Overseer) - i stil have a hatred for people who try to use religion to bully, or control people, or who try to belittle non religious people, or opposiing faiths.
i find those practices amusing as well. most of them are based on both blind faith, and that that particular blind faith is absolutely correct. as if one religion had a lock on knowledge. what's even funnier is how religious beliefs sneak into seemingly neutral contexts. if you ever look at conspiracy theorists and the freemason/illuminati evidence...the root of much of that debate is in the freemasons and illuminati using religious symbols from egyptian mysticism, and other groups. the reason those symbols are evil is actually a christian vs pagan (christians view egyptian mystics as pagans) debate. whether these individuals have bad intentions is a separate issue.
(Overseer) - in other words.. don't take it literally.. word for word. but view it as guidelines to living a righteous life.
i think that is a powerful idea.
many religious texts also try to explain the nature of man and existence symbolically; thus what it means to have eternal life, or what the true benefit of becoming righteous is. alot of ideas beneath that literal surface; and those ideas are largely universal.
in ancient times religion was a pursuit of knowledge, now it has become robotic rituals for many. you can see that idea of a pursuit of knowledge in christian gnosticism, sufism in islam, mystic kabbalism...etc.
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