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Black people need to stop having so many kids out of wedlock.....
Real American:
What conditions are you talking about??
Also, don't forget that 50 years ago, when racism truly was a serious problem in America, that illegitimacy rates were low across the board for all races. Sometime around the 1960's, the illegitimacy rates began to climb for all races, but epecially for black people. So don't tell me that is it white people's fault, when it has been only a recent phenomenon. Actually as society has become less racist, the illegitimacy rates have actally climbed and they have detsroyed the black family unit in America.
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: Real American on June 01, 2006, 07:14:38 PM ---What conditions are you talking about??
Also, don't forget that 50 years ago, when racism truly was a serious problem in America, that illegitimacy rates were low across the board for all races. Sometime around the 1960's, the illegitimacy rates began to climb for all races, but epecially for black people. So don't tell me that is it white people's fault, when it has been only a recent phenomenon. Actually as society has become less racist, the illegitimacy rates have actally climbed and they have detsroyed the black family unit in America.
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Are you familiar with the migration of whites to suburbs (which were off-limits to blacks at that time), and the construction of housing projects for blacks? It actually happened right around the 1950s - the time of the "nuclear family" - when you claim this trend began. Then there were the mass lay-offs in L.A. (which began in the 1970s with the closing of many industrial plants) to take into consideration. It's a widely observed trend that gang activity increased at about the same time.
As far as America being "less racist", there may not be any active discrimination, but the existence of attitudes such as yours proves that we haven't moved far enough forward...yet.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: 2 Muh'phuccin Xtra 4 Cali on June 01, 2006, 07:30:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Real American on June 01, 2006, 07:14:38 PM ---What conditions are you talking about??
Also, don't forget that 50 years ago, when racism truly was a serious problem in America, that illegitimacy rates were low across the board for all races. Sometime around the 1960's, the illegitimacy rates began to climb for all races, but epecially for black people. So don't tell me that is it white people's fault, when it has been only a recent phenomenon. Actually as society has become less racist, the illegitimacy rates have actally climbed and they have detsroyed the black family unit in America.
--- End quote ---
Are you familiar with the migration of whites to suburbs (which were off-limits to blacks at that time), and the construction of housing projects for blacks? It actually happened right around the 1950s - the time of the "nuclear family" - when you claim this trend began. Then there were the mass lay-offs in L.A. (which began in the 1970s with the closing of many industrial plants) to take into consideration. It's a widely observed trend that gang activity increased at about the same time.
As far as America being "less racist", there may not be any active discrimination, but the existence of attitudes such as yours proves that we haven't moved far enough forward...yet.
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It's got to be more than that. I think it has to stem from a change of mentality (if the numbers are correct and it really is 70%). Blacks lived like kings in the 60s when compared to what was going on in the south right after they were "freed" by Abe Lincoln and company, and if they could make due back then and stay with their families and can't now (assuming that the stats do say that, I wouldn't know), then it simply cannot stem from being oppressed in the 60s and 70s and probably has more to do with the Kill Whitey mentality that came about in those times. Before the 60s you were oppressed asa black to the point that you knew you could never do anything about it. The 60s started the mindset of no longer taking shit from the whites and not doing as you are told the white man tells you how you should live. It's like if you get on the bus as a black man and short change the driver and he calls you on it and won't let you on (I've seen this many times with my own eyes) insteda of admitted you got caught cheating it's like they just see another white devil being racist and when you think racism you have this nobel feeling to fight it even if it isn't there and that leads to a lot of problems for a lot of young black males I know. Out of the dozens of personal black friends I have I can tell you that almost all of the ones that would challenge the bus driver in that situation (meaning have that type of mentality) are in far lower place in society then the ones that would not challenge the driver (of course those types wouldn't try and cheat their way on the bus either), and it all seems to sten with how they were taught to challenge authority. They grew up with mothers who would defend every bad action they do (almost all of the ones that end up with that mentality) and it's usually because these mothers were teens when they had the children, and who impregnated them? Teenage boys that came from those kind of households. It'sa real chicken and egg scenario.
I for one am all for getting every male a vasectomy at puberty and only allow to have it reversed upon request. Not just black males. Every male in the country. The population would drop drastically and children would only be raised by parents who chose to have them.
africas seed:
education is key to solve an issue like this but this problem isnt only centred around one race. All races have kids out of wedlock. Like I said we need to educate others about the cause and effects of poverty and other issues that r plaguing our world. It's like HIV/aids in South africa. ppl r always like y dont they just use a fucking condom or just dont have sex. well a majority of ppl dont know that condoms can help or that u can even contract HIV/aids from sex or that HIV/aids even exists. this as well as many other issues may affect a certain type of ppl but it will take the help of everyone to resolve these problems.
Suga Foot:
Maybe the problem doesn't lie within the black community, but within American culture? Instead of just blaming the community, why not try to understand why this happens, and what can be done to help fix the problem.
Less and less people get married nowadays anyway. Just because the kid is born out of wedlock, doesn't mean the Dad isn't around to help raise him. I know lots of people who have kids and aren't married, that doesn't mean they are bad people.
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