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AndrE16686:

--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on July 11, 2006, 06:59:41 AM ---Question is whether you view the terms "cause of death" and "responsibility for death" as perpetual equivalents?

I agree that in a single legal system, under a single convention, resulting in a single sovereign assigned to maintain the safety of his subordinates (BTW this is the only political environment in which TRUE law can exist), both concepts should be, and are, equivalent.
However, when we are debating about clashes of two, or more, sovereign entities, these concepts deviate from each other in meaning.
In a war, what responsibility does one side hold toward the casualties of another?- None, the legal responsibility is laid upon the sovereign to which the casualty pertains.That is because the fundamental reason for the existence of a sovereign is his capacity to provide the safety and protection of his subordinates- by failing to do so he undermines the convention with his subordinates, hence the reason for his political power and existence.

There are no actual legal obligations between two sides at war- that's what war means by definition. Law exists only as part of a convention. War means absence of convention between the sides. Hence, "cause of death" and "responsibility for death" mean different things when we're not discussing a situation within the boundaries of a single set of laws under a single sovereign.

War means absence of convention between the sides, war means absence of agreement between the sides. Absence of agreement between the sides means absence of unitary law applicable to both sides, hence the absence of legal responsibility between the sides.

P.S This is why the concept of International Law is hollow of meaning, because this is the only law originating in a non-existent sovereign. A law does not exist without a sovereign. A sovereign is a product of convention as much as a convention is a product of a sovereign (Chicken and egg type of thing especially in democracies). An International Law can not exist without an international sovereign. That is unless you truly believe we're living in a global state or that the UN is a substantial international sovereign.

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Realist thought^^^


This type of doctrine hasn't helped bring peace to the confllict tho,
maybe it's time for an idealist party to take control, like the UN.

Cus shits just getting ridiculous over there......

I TO DA GEEZY:
This isn't a doctrine. This is an analysis of the political status quo in the world. As you can see, I didn't really address specifics or express my opinion. This is a general description of the fundamental nature of the sovereign-subordinate relationship, in it's philosophical abstract sense. Largely taken out of Thomas Hobbes' book Leviathan.

First, If you want to know my view: I personally would love to live in a single global state, where we could all live under a single set of laws. Unfortunately, this is not the case. We still live in a fragmented world. Borders and states didn't go anywhere man, they're still here dictating the status quo. Second of all, I don't view the UN as an idealist party.

Bomb-A®:
did your parents neglect you as a child that you have to seek attention on message boards with threads like this?



peace

King Tech Quadafi:
i love how simple issues get 4 paragraph responses from i geezy

an israeli can never argue the point issue for issue. they have to jump through loopholes, and secondary arguments, until theyve twisted and tweeked the subject to where it comes back (soemhow) to palestinians

therefore, things like occupied land, human rights violation, torture etc become the fault of palestinians


lol

Now_Im_Not_Banned:

--- Quote from: King Tech- Triangle of Death on July 12, 2006, 11:22:22 AM ---
therefore, things like occupied land, human rights violation, torture etc become the fault of palestinians



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Sorta' like how terrorist bombings, kidnappings, rocks poking out eyes, etc. becomes the fault of Israelis... :D

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