ALI VS TYSON

[Sikotic™]

Just watching that video brings back how amazing Tyson really was. Look how sharp and quick that guy was. And he was still powerful even with that quickness. He was like a pitbull locked up all his life and they just let him loose.

Ali still would of taken him though.

[M Dogg™]

Remember that some footage was put into slow motion just so you can see Ali's fist. You can't hit what your eyes can't see, and the way Cassius Clay moves, The Dynamite Kid Mike Tyson would find the only person faster than him. To say the least, it would be a great fight. But I see Clay taking it past the 6th, and then dystroying Mike.

The most fair fight would be old Ali, the one that beat George in the Rumble in the Jungle, that Ali vs. Mike Tyson that beat Michael Spinks. 'Cause Clay vs. The Dynamite Kid is all Clay... all Clay.

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[Trauma-san]

I reckon Tyson would get Ali, kinda like Ali & Frazier.

Ali was hella annoying too!

Ali beat Joe Frazier 2-1.  So, if it was "kinda like Ali & Frazier", Ali would win. 

[Trauma-san]

Everybody's ridiing Tyson's dick for hitting hard but ignoring that George Foreman was the SHIT and hit harder.  Ali knocked big George flat on his ass. 

You wanna talk about somebody hitting hard, look at this shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvirljx6ob4&search=george%20foreman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msdmekz_iq4&search=george%20foreman


Now *THATS* a fucking champion.  Foreman would have killed Tyson, Ali killed Foreman.  Everything is as it should be. 

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

It's like these kids saying Kobe over Jordan.  Please. 

Kobe is just now entering his prime...HORRIBLE analogy.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.


If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.



Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston


I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.



Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston

Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?

[Trauma-san]

It's like these kids saying Kobe over Jordan.  Please. 

Kobe is just now entering his prime...HORRIBLE analogy.

Suck a dick.  Jordan GOAT Period

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

It's like these kids saying Kobe over Jordan.  Please. 

Kobe is just now entering his prime...HORRIBLE analogy.

Suck a dick.  Jordan GOAT Period

Oh, wow...You got me there.

[M Dogg™]

Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.


If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.



Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston


I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.



Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston

Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?

Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.


If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.



Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston


I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.



Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston

Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?

Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.

I dunno...The way he got up and the way the fight ended just didn't look right...Who knows though...

[Shallow]

Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.


If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.



Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston


I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.



Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston

Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?

Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.

No one is saying only Ali had fixed fights. It's not like this is new about the Liston fight. Just about every boxing writer of the day called it bullshit and so did George Chuvallo who was sitting behind Ali when the punch happened. They don't call it the phanton punch because it was so fast. They call it the phantom punch because it wasn't there. Liston isn't even hurt afterwards and it was a right jab while planted on the left foot. Walk into any amateur boxing club in your area and ask them how hard a right jab off the left foot can be. I'm not dogging on Ali. I'm dogging pro boxing in general.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.


If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.



Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston


I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.



Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston

Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?

Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.

No one is saying only Ali had fixed fights. It's not like this is new about the Liston fight. Just about every boxing writer of the day called it bullshit and so did George Chuvallo who was sitting behind Ali when the punch happened. They don't call it the phanton punch because it was so fast. They call it the phantom punch because it wasn't there. Liston isn't even hurt afterwards and it was a right jab while planted on the left foot. Walk into any amateur boxing club in your area and ask them how hard a right jab off the left foot can be. I'm not dogging on Ali. I'm dogging pro boxing in general.

Dude, for every fixed fight, there's probably thousands of real ones...It's just how the world is, not just boxing...PeACe.

[M Dogg™]

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check the 5 minute mark when they slow motioned it

[Shallow]

Okay, I get it when people doubt me when I say World Soccer is fixed, but boxing has been fixed since the turn of the century. It's the worst kept secret in sports.


If Roberto Duran walking out of the ring in forfeit during the second Sugar Ray fight didn't make believers out of all of you then nothing will I guess.



Can you guys actually watch Ali "knock out" Liston and think that was a legit KO?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T_dHRLn5rM&search=Sonny%20Liston


I've seen harder punches in Rocky 2. Ali is throwing a right jab standing on his left foot and it's 1 minute into the first round and Liston is known for being able to take heavy shots. Anyone that thinks that was legit is an idiot, or Trauma. I'm not even trying to hate on Ali. Every great champion in history had the machine behind them. Except maybe Black Jack Johnson. There was no economic reason to make him champion for that long. If Ali really KOed Listoin there than Hulk Hogan really beat up Andre the Giant.



Watch the whole thing and how fast Liston gets up when he dcides to and how fine he is after he does and how much he doesn't argue with the ref after the ref stops the fight after he restarts it. Also watch how the ref doesn't even look at Liston when Liston is standing. The whole time he is looking at someone in the corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I&search=Sonny%20Liston

Wasn't that fight known as a mob set-up?

Ali/Listen was not a mob set up. They slow motioned it, and it was an extremely fast punch that hit right on the temple,which in 10 out of 10 cases, would knock someone out. It might have been a lucky punch, but it wasn't a fixed punch. Tyson knocking out Bruce Seldon with air, that was a set up punch. Ali knocking out Listen might have been a lucky punch, but not a fixed punch.

No one is saying only Ali had fixed fights. It's not like this is new about the Liston fight. Just about every boxing writer of the day called it bullshit and so did George Chuvallo who was sitting behind Ali when the punch happened. They don't call it the phanton punch because it was so fast. They call it the phantom punch because it wasn't there. Liston isn't even hurt afterwards and it was a right jab while planted on the left foot. Walk into any amateur boxing club in your area and ask them how hard a right jab off the left foot can be. I'm not dogging on Ali. I'm dogging pro boxing in general.

Dude, for every fixed fight, there's probably thousands of real ones...It's just how the world is, not just boxing...PeACe.

I realize that and never meant to imply otherwise.

[M Dogg™]

Ali/Liston real time. The time keeper was the one that counted out Liston and he told the ref. Liston was defeated, but the ref, who was not a real ref but rather a special ref who was a former champ, was not doing his job.
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slow motion punch
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