Capello goes to Real Madrid

[mauzip]

AZ has never been involved in a scandal.

RETTEKETET AZ!!

[Intriago33]

Fiorentina is the side I want punished, fuck the Viola.

Apparently De Santis (referee of Parma-Lecce), told Vignaroli (Parma player) - something like "it's useless to run alot, you will never win this game".

Fiorentina needed Parma not to beat Lecce, so they wouldn't relegate on the last fixture of the season.
the game ended 3-3, with many yellow cards of Parma, and a red after the final whistle went. (the player kicked the ball away, because he thought the game was finished).

That put Parma in a relegation play-off against Bologna with many of our better players suspended for the first-leg.

Thankfully we managed to win, and remain in Serie A, .. but we very well could of got relegated because of Fiorentina, and the referee De Sanctis.


so my bias is relegate Fiorentina.

[Antonio_]

Don't think that they are pushing so hard for Juventus to get a more sever punishement than the 3 other clubs with no proof or phone calls like the other clubs - It seems like that there is a lot of evidence there that will come to light in the next days & weeks

No man. All the evidences were used already. The sencence will arrive in 4-5 days. There are no more "surprises" coming.

Have your own club not admitted that they think that they will go down?

No. The new society just say that if something bad was made, they'll accept the punishment. And i do agree. But if i have to be condamned i want it to be for something we've made, you know what i mean? Not just cause people want it.

Think that you should perhaps take off the old Black & White glasses for this investigation Antonio

I accept the fact that you don't trust me, no problem. But i'm a lawyer and i've read all the papers. That's my job. I know it.

It's about time that Juventus have been done for a scandal anyway, its the first time since 1923-24 (The Rosetta Scandal) that something has gone against Juventus lol

Maybe it's because we didn't do illegal shit? Why do you want us to be punished anyway?

[Antonio_]

Fiorentina is the side I want punished, fuck the Viola.

Apparently De Santis (referee of Parma-Lecce), told Vignaroli (Parma player) - something like "it's useless to run alot, you will never win this game".

Fiorentina needed Parma not to beat Lecce, so they wouldn't relegate on the last fixture of the season.
the game ended 3-3, with many yellow cards of Parma, and a red after the final whistle went. (the player kicked the ball away, because he thought the game was finished).

That put Parma in a relegation play-off against Bologna with many of our better players suspended for the first-leg.

Thankfully we managed to win, and remain in Serie A, .. but we very well could of got relegated because of Fiorentina, and the referee De Sanctis.


so my bias is relegate Fiorentina.

Yeah, i've translated it to you. That's what i'm talking about! That's a fucking proof!! THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT AGAINST JUVENTUS. But they want us to go to Serie C and Fiorentina to go to Serie B. That's why i'm mad.

I'm not saying we're all saints, but if they want to send us to Serie C they have to show the evidences they have. And they have none.

[On The Edge of Insanity]

Don't they have taped conversations between Moggi and one of Italian FA officials about choosing the referees for certain games?

It's complicated. Basically here there are 4 refs who can play the 4 best matches of the day. Moggi was discussing with the boss of the refs not about who were them 4 refs (cause it was known), but about their matches. Like "I've done a table with the combination. Do you want to discuss it?" "Yes" "Ok i got Paparesta for Lazio-Fiorentina, Bertini for..." and the boss says yes to some of them and none to others. Moggi didn't chose shit! Plus the boss already made it clear 300 times that everybody called him for them combinations, trying to apply a little pressure on him. But at the end his result was "clean" from pressure (or i'd say a mix of all those pressures). But to say Moggi chosed the refs is wrong. He didn't. Matter of fact that day the boss chosed a different ref from Moggi's table. Proof. It's just that here they wanted to find a scandal, and they had this shit in their hands. Pathetic, if you ask me.

And remember that its not just Juventus who have been implicated, its AC, Lazio and Fiorentina as well, so its not like its just them picking on Juventus.

The problem is that there are phone calls of Galliani (AC Milan) talking with refs, and there's another one of a member of AC Milan staff where he says to a linesman "when we're in the area don't call it outside, ok?" "Yeah, no problem". The problem is there are phone convos of Fiorentina buying games cause they were going to Serie B (the homie who supports Parma knows what i'm talking about.. since he supports a team who was fighting against Fiorentina to save his ass from Serie B), and there are equal phone convos about Lazio.

But at the end the result is that they're asking us to go to Serie C (-6 points) with no proofs and without a phone convo like the ones of Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio, and those 3 teams are getting much less punishment. Shit, Milan is the one with less punishment than them all, and they're the ones who fixed games!!

P.S.
Last month a judge condamned Inter player Recoba and Inter manager Oriali to 6 months of jail (converted in 25.000€ to pay) cause they fixed the documents of Recoba. But they won't even be punished.

But we will. Over nothing. Or, to say it best, over something everybody does, according to the boss of the refs. And there are phone convos to certify that.

Fair enough if that is the case, but you'd have to think that they have some sort of evidence which they feel warrants Juventus having stiffer suspensions than the rest of the clubs. Also, why would the entire board have resigned if they hadn't done anythiing wrong?

The Inter/Recoba thing is different as its well known than Italian clubs make up long lost Italian uncles for South American players they buy so they can get then Italian passports, weren't Lazio reprimanded for doing the same thing with Veron? I think they is a large difference between than and potential match fixing, hence why the punishments are far different.

[Antonio_]

Fair enough if that is the case, but you'd have to think that they have some sort of evidence which they feel warrants Juventus having stiffer suspensions than the rest of the clubs. Also, why would the entire board have resigned if they hadn't done anythiing wrong?

They didn't really resign. They were going to be free agents in a pair of weeks. The owners of the club (Agnelli family) already wanted to replace them with a new team.

The Inter/Recoba thing is different as its well known than Italian clubs make up long lost Italian uncles for South American players they buy so they can get then Italian passports, weren't Lazio reprimanded for doing the same thing with Veron? I think they is a large difference between than and potential match fixing, hence why the punishments are far different.

According to our sportal laws, the punishment should be exactly the same. It's cristalline.
Plus you're understimating it. Back when it happened, italian teams were allowed to let only 3 non-european players play. Recoba was Inter's 4th one. He played like a communitarian while he wasn't. That's a big advantage, man. He should have been relegated to the tribune, but he played and he scored quite a few goals, so when he did it hell yeah the result wasn't regular.

[Meho]

Antonio, you think Kaka really can come to Real ?

[Antonio_]

Antonio, you think Kaka really can come to Real ?

Well if AC Milan goes to Serie B it's 100% sure. I don't know. Milan already lost Sheva, they ain't the kind of team who let two champions leave them in the same year. If Milan doesn't go to Serie B there's no way in hell they'll sell Kaką. No.

[TheDeli]

It's about time that Juventus have been done for a scandal anyway, its the first time since 1923-24 (The Rosetta Scandal) that something has gone against Juventus lol

Maybe it's because we didn't do illegal shit? Why do you want us to be punished anyway?

It doesn't really matter to me who gets punished, I have noting against Juventus & had a great time when I went to see Rangers get destroyed by a very good Juventus team in 1995 (we lost 4-1)

I do believe that Juventus have had too many important decisions go their way in certain big games when they have required a victory, I don't just mean in games involving Juventus here, this includes games that the result have had a direct involvement to where Juventus will finish

[Antonio_]

Maybe we're just the best team in Italy? With 8 players in the WC Final + Emerson + Ibrahimovic + Nedved in our starting 11? With 4 players nominated for the FIFA Golden Ball? Maybe? Could you accept it as a possibility? LOL. Maybe since we made 91 points (Serie A record) and we're 1st in our league from 76 games we're just better than the others? Why do you have to see illegal things in it? With Moggi as our GM we've lost a Scudetto in Perugia, the most embarassing and scanalous one in Serie A history. But it's easier to remember only the favour we've received? (without asking them)?