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I TO DA GEEZY:
The statement would be valid in regard to any country, Israel or any other country. Killing per se could be classified as morally abhorrent, true. Morals as you know are a derivative of culture. I'm telling you this to show you it's often a local thing- Aztecs sacrificed thousands of people to their gods without considering their killing as abhorrent but as normative. Western Culture views killing per se as morally abhorrent, agreed. Although even Western Culture representatives, under certain circumstances, will overlook this principle (Death penalty, War, Self-Defense etc). Israel, a representative of western culture, is confronted with such circumstances. Israel is facing an enemy who doesn't view killing per se as abhorrent. This is a cultural war. This is not to claim one culture is better than another, god forbid. I'm a Social Studies student, the first thing they teach us is there are no GOOD or BAD cultures, there are only different cultures ( :) ). All Im trying to say is that you can't even apply a single cultural scale of morals in such a conflict. Just like you can't apply a single legal scale.

virtuoso:

You can try and define and analyse who thinks what is morally abhorrent, but the fact is these actions are totally criminal, you can not massacre a nation and expect to get away with it but Israel thinks it can. You can not justify the deliberate destruction and murder of convoys but israel thinks it can, you can not flatten an entire country and expect to get away with it but again Israel thinks it can. Anyway in the midst of what is going on at the moment stay safe.

I TO DA GEEZY:
That's a common mistake. People think there is something to "justify". Justice and criminality are derivatives of conventions. A sovereign is obliged to protect his citizenry, that's the only convention we're dealing here with. The rest is just demagogy.


I'm all for peace.

virtuoso:

Then by the same token you are saying the Nuremberg trials were a travesty?, after all a lot of those that got tried were on charges of indiscriminate bombing, they were just protecting their soverign nation after all

P.S While Israel continues to treat the palestinians like a piece of shit then there will never be peace.

I TO DA GEEZY:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on July 25, 2006, 08:08:45 AM ---Then by the same token you are saying the Nuremberg trials were a travesty?

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Largely yes. I think by definition these were display trials . They were a travesty because they have contributed to the feeble idea of International Law (With the absence of International convention) most likely in an initial attempt to achieve global domination by the big winners of WW2. There's this saying " In a war there's no right or wrong". Just like Germany was blamed for everything after WW1, it was blamed after WW2. Only that this time it seemed to make more sense because of all the "Jew-killing" that went on.

I don't treat Palestinians like shit. I have many friends who don't. I have even Palestinian buddies. The reason there's no peace has more to do with the conduct of the Palestinian leadership.

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