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Beliefs and Happiness

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WestCoasta:
^^^ I'm not trying to counter your response at all or anything, but I'd assume the average age kids stop believing in Santa is like 9-10


and I'd say organized religion and Santa have similarities

a little kid absolutely won't believe Santa is not real, no matter how many people tell him.... you can present facts and still won't change the mind

same thing with organized religion... you can have the most obvious facts and use common sense to derail some theories or beliefs

but the person still will ignore because they are afraid, so afraid, of the truth


either way, whatever... people who have beliefs is fine, religion is fine, believe what you wanna believe

the only problem I have with religion is when people become militant about it or force it on others and try to change shit for other people because of it

all because they think it's right... the most irritating thing is when people believe they're God is the God for everyone....

 like there's some people who believe America is God's country.... and are actually dumb enough to think God singled out America to represent

and last but not least, when retards thank God for petty things.... as in an athlete thanking God for winning the game.... yeah that's right, God wanted YOU to win buddy

Trauma-san:
You just don't understand, you didn't get the analogy.  Sorry, wish i had a better vocab for ya.  It has nothing to do with believing or not believing in santa claus, I was talking more about having a belief in things other's clearly see differently and the effect that has on your spirit and your happiness.  The title of the thread is beliefs and happiness.  Happiness is specific to each person, what makes one person happy may not make the next person happy.  Santa clause specifically makes some children happy.  A happy child makes others happy just by being in their presence, the validity of Santa Clause's identity is of very little concern.  The effect is still the same regardless of which person you are, the believer or the 'infidel'.... things get muddy when people are religious bigots and try to blow things up or tell people they're going to hell, but religion in it's true form has a good purpose regardless of whether or not you believe in it, it betters human beings by spreading euphoria and focusing on the validity of a certain religion misses the mark intellectually. 



Here's another analogy; that would be like me criticising Mother Theresa for her business plan.  If she only would have relocated to Ethiopia her business costs would have been lower and she would have helped so many more people.  run the numbers, everything is cheaper and she survived off donations, so any way you look at it, clear as day she was wrong to have her mission in .... (wherever it was).  The argument ignores the purpose and the result and all the good she did, and focuses on something totally unrelated that I see clearly different than she did. 

Of course people are going to have different religions.  I preach Christ's message the same way you preach their is no god.  You even make posts on message boards about it; you are just as religious as I am, you just have a different religion; we see things totally different.  Just as I'm sure about Jesus Christ, you're sure I'm wrong.  I'm sure you're wrong.  You could argue that there's no proof of God, and that it's a fairy tale.  I could argue that it's scientifically impossible to create matter without having other matter to create it from making the entire universe a fairy tale.  I could argue scientifically that energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but yet science tells us when our body dies it loses it's animation and the brain no longer functions on energy.  That's not the point, if we argued the validity of either side, we'd be changing the entire focus of the conversation and steering it towards something that's entirely irrelevant.  It doens't matter if you're wrong or i'm wrong.... intellectually, the argument is much higher than that. 

Trauma-san:
Another example: You might see some family at the mall, and there's a mom and dad with 8 kids.  Next to them is a woman with 1 kid.  Both families are happy, even though the family with 8 kids is poor and can barely afford to feed all of them.  You might look at that and go "man, how could you be happy with 8 kids putting you in poverty? Why didn't they stop?" You might look at a kid with Down's syndrome even and go "man, how can that kid make them happy? They must hate that".... You'd be arguing something totally unrelated to the joy having children brings families.  You'd be intellectually right, but the argument about happiness is on a much higher plain, and specific to each individual.  Maybe having kids makes them very happy, and money doesn't matter at all to them.  You'd be missing that boat altogether and arguing something unrelated to what's really happening, even though you'd be correct. 

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