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95% Of The Time School Is Unnecessary
Mo Z. Dizzle:
i might hafta take stupid calculus if i want to go from college to a better university than the one im able to get into.
calc isn't even business related, i took another math course that was business related.
so friggin annoying; i hope i can pass it, last time i was gettin a 40% before i dropped it.
DipsetGeneral:
--- Quote from: LooN3y on August 29, 2006, 01:15:47 PM ---school is a failing system. quarter of the kids learn bout illegitimate shit they can do n usually end up most likely in jail n the lucky smart ones become the big dope dealers n mob heads.
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no disrespect, but fuck that was stupid
Nutty:
--- Quote from: Overseer on August 29, 2006, 02:00:17 AM ---I use math on the daily...
I was getting low-ish math grades throughout school.. then i started on a computer course.. i had to retake the same maths test again that year.. i skipped these extra lessons for the whole year bar a bunch at the beginning and end.. so basically about 15 lessons.. and i passed it.. just coz i'd learned how to look at things right through other experiences..
IMO its not enough to teach someone something.. they have to know WHY. a twist on the old "teach a man to fish" thing
teaching a man to teach himself is one of the best skills you can do. my job today everything I do is self taught, and i'm learning daily.. and i've learned to find the information I need to get my job done.
i found that through my experiences that teaching style helps a great deal
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--- Quote from: Shallow on August 29, 2006, 02:30:18 PM ---95%? I don't think so.
Just because you guys don't use adavance level math and sciences doesn't mean they aren't useful. They drive our technological industries. If Math and Science weren't taught in school then none of you would be on your PCs even posting these messages. Sure you can learn on your own, and I agree with Sik that theorhetically a person can take a high school level degree and enter most jobs by learning what they need to independantally rather than through College, but you can neve take away what direct competition can do for your learning as well peer study. You can learn a lot more by trying to one up your classmates or catch up and by working with them. Even outside of the school system is a lot easier to learn with a teacher of some sort than just by reading.
Infinite; how far do you think your knowledge and uderstand of Islam has come since learning from various Imams, as opposed from just reading yourself. Am organized governemt regulated system may not be perfect but I've yet to see a better way to teach the masses.
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jeromechickenbone:
I'll break it down pretty simple, and I have some perspective cuz I graduated from college 3 years ago. A piece of paper that says Diploma doesn't annoint someone a genius. It doesn't mean any one person is more intelligent than any other. Some of the most witty, intelligent people I've known barely graduated high school and never set foot in college.
But here's what I realized what school teaches you, ESPECIALLY higher education (college) - responsibility. When I was a freshman and I lived in a dorm, there was 52 other dudes on my floor. We were all 18 years old and living hundreds of miles away from home. Shit was the funnest time I ever had in my life. At ANY given time some cats were drinkin, smokin, playing video games, hookin up, blah blah blah. The catch to all this fun was that you had to not only go to class without mommy telling you to, but you had to walk away from all of the fun everybody was having because you had to study if you wanted to stay there. After that 1st semester, some dudes on my floor weren't making grades, flunked out and left. Now make no mistake, I was out all night having the time of my life, but the catch was I was one of the few that would stay out getting fucked up and still make it to class at 8 in the morning.
Out of everybody on my floor, I only knew 3 of them that had graduated along with me. I wasn't smarter than all those dudes, I just made sure I handled my business. And thats what school teaches you - it's that no matter what you do, you gotta take care of business. If you're all play and no work, you're likely not going to do much with yourself. I didn't enjoy the vast majority of classes I took, most professors were arrogant assholes, and I retained VERY LITTLE of what I learned. That's how its set up - 6 weeks of memorization, regurgitating that info and then repeating the cycle again. But I hung in there and got my 120 credit hours and it was both the most fun and rewarding thing I ever did.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Hajj Abdul-Infinite...BANNED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH! on August 29, 2006, 06:09:32 PM ---
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Infinite; how far do you think your knowledge and uderstand of Islam has come since learning from various Imams, as opposed from just reading yourself. Am organized governemt regulated system may not be perfect but I've yet to see a better way to teach the masses.
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Read my opening thread again man. I didn't say everything had to be independant study, read it again, I said "or ask someone who knows".
And as far school and "teaching the masses", let's say 24 people all want to learn the same thing. So you would think if they all chipped in and paid the teacher to teach them it would be less money then if you hired an individual private tutor. But even at the community colleges people are paying $500 dollars for classes, you could get your own tutor and get 1 on 1 attention for way cheaper than that; and the learning would be much more effective.
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Still that someone who knows has to have some sort of credentials for you to take him seriously or not question him (or her) with every lesson. If an Imam tells you what the Quran says on this matter or that matter and quotes the verse you're less likely to run straight to the book shelf and verify it. If CWalker gives you the exact same information you're checking up on it right away. We don't have time to question every little thing. That doesn't mean we have to follow it blindly or refuse to believe a teacher is a wrong but a matter of trust is essential to learn faster.
As for College classes it still takes time and effort to organize hundreds of people that would be in a lecture hall and get them to come together and pay the teacher (who would need ceredentials) and decide meeting places and times and what other things they may want to learn. It's simply impracticle. I challenge to you try it with out going through the organized realm of education. See if you can get 100 people that all want to be Engineers and need to learn Integral Calculus, then find someone with out University credentials to teach that to them and set up a pay system and a meeting time and place for the classes. See if it's possible to teach something like that and round up the students by going outside of the system. It's a rhetorical challenge because you could never get 100 people to agree to learn from an uncertified Calculus teacher, you'd have to start small and make sure the few in the beginning classes walk away with more knowledge than they would have if they took it at a school, and then you'd need testimonies to convince others. You'd have to book places to have the meetings and make sure everyone is getting texts and everyone is paying. You'd have to quit work because the endeavor would take up all your time and to make that worth your time you'd have to justify it by generating money for yourself, and then you'd realize that each student would probably have to shell out about 500 a piece anyway just to cover the teacher, you, and the expenses. 30 meetings at about 200 dollars a rental for a room that will hold 100 people will come out to 6,000. Let's say the whole course goes 15 weeks to give kids to to learn and study the info and that means a quarter year is gone for the teacher which will need at least a third of an average salary to keep around which will be atleast 12,000 dollars and an extra 5,000 for a TA which may be needed if the class is that large. You'd have to make up the money you'd lose from not working which is another 10,000 atleast and texts etc, which may be another 3 to 4 thousand. So a total would come to just under 40,000 to run this class and I'm being generous. That's 400 a student. 300 if you do it all for free. It simply won't work because either way the kids aren't saving much and they don't have access to all the research facilities a University would give them like computer labs, libraries, and senior level students with experience. Let's not even get into trying to find a skilled Calculus teacher who didn't go to University.
Organized forms of anything need to exist for something to strive. Where would Islam be with out the Mosques?
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