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[Don Rizzle]

Blair to tackle 'menace' children
Tomorrow's potential troublemakers can be identified even before they are born, Tony Blair has suggested.
Mr Blair said it was possible to spot the families whose circumstances made it likely their children would grow up to be a "menace to society".

He said teenage mums and problem families could be forced to take help to head off difficulties.

He said the government had to intervene much earlier to prevent problems developing when children were older.

There could be sanctions for parents who refused to take advice, he said.

The PM has returned from his summer holiday to face intense speculation about his plans to step down.

In his first interview since his three-week stay in the Caribbean, Mr Blair insisted his policies could outlast his time in Downing Street.

His aides say people are more interested in problems like anti-social behaviour than in talk about when the prime minister will quit.

Starting early

The Conservatives say the government should not try to run people's lives.

And one think tank suggested it was almost "genetic determinism" to suggest children could turn out to be troublemakers before they were born.

Mr Blair told BBC News his government had made "massive progress" in tackling social exclusion but there was a group of people with multiple problems.


 There is not going to be a solution unless we are sufficiently hard-headed to say that from a very early age we need a system of intervention
Tony Blair 

There had to be intervention "pre-birth even", he said.

Families with drug and alcohol problems were being identified too late, said Mr Blair.

And there was a "pretty good chance" children of teenage mothers who were not in stable relationships would grow up in a "difficult set of circumstances" and develop behavioural problems.

He admitted many people might be uneasy with the idea of intervening in people's family life but said there was no point "pussy-footing".

But he said: "If we are not prepared to predict and intervene far more early then there are children who are growing up - in families which we know are dysfunctional - and the kids a few years down the line are going to be a menace to society and actually a threat to themselves."

Help had to be offered, but "some sense of discipline and responsibility" had to be brought to bear, he said.

Sanctions?

Official figures released in February showed the conception rate for girls aged 13-15 was 7.5 per 1,000 in 2004.

Mr Blair did not specify exactly what changes he was preparing to make or how they would work.

He pointed to the success of Sure Start centres in giving parents help.

And he said sanctions, such as anti-social behaviour orders or parenting orders were already in place, for those who refused support.

But experience from other countries suggested people were willing to get support if they knew where to get it, he added.

Nanny state

Conservative policy director Oliver Letwin said: "The answer is not more state intervention," he said.

"It is to encourage the social enterprise, the voluntary sector, community groups, to help people without trying to run their lives for them."

Anastasia de Waal, head of the family and education unit at think tank Civitas, said: "It is teetering on genetic determinism this kind of saying that before children are even born they are labelled as problematic."

Ministers should not take a "Big Brother" approach to the problem.

She said a long-term look at the root causes of problem behaviour was needed, not short term announcements which grabbed headlines.

But Jacquie Dale, from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, said child protection officers should be able to pick up on early signs of problems, not wait until there was a "bruised baby".


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/5301824.stm

[virtuoso]

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[Jip]

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[J Bananas]

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[Jip]

More wonderful police state bullshit, although I am perplexed don, you the title of the thread, it's almost like your mocking the whole issue and only I would have something to say about it, thats nonsense.

police state bullshit, i know exactly what u mean

i mean, WHY DO THEY MAKE US HAVE REGISTRATION PLATES ON CARS, ITS COMPLETE BULLSHIT

[virtuoso]

lol i am not going to bother responding to that truly stupid comment of yours

[Jip]

didnt think u would

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