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If you had to live in one NON WHITE country in the world...
Real American:
By the way, I wonder what the poor in Venezuela think of Chavez using oil resources to buy influence across the region instead of at home. I am talking about his publicity stunts like giving discounted gas to people in places in Harlem when his own citizens are the ones that really need the relief. He doesn't care about them, he only cares about raising his own status. He also made a fool of himself with his UN speech.
When the economny tanks under all his BS socialist policies maybe the people of Venezuela will wake up.
Real American:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on September 28, 2006, 06:30:54 PM ---If you are dismissing that as bullshit, then you must really have your head in the clouds.! In fact I didnt really delve particularly deeply into your question and those comments were some of the lighter ones I could have used, there is not one thing within that, that isnt factual,
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When you say a bunch of BS like Chaves encourages free speech and dissent, that their standard of living is improving, that the US elections were stolen, etc I am going to call you on it.
virtuoso:
Oh please, there is over 3 trillion unaccounted for in the pentagons finances, america single handedly props up Israel, I wonder how the people of Katrina feel about all of this money being either stolen or given to Israel. I wonder how those who can't afford the medical bills feel about americas policy here. I wonder how the american people feel about the trillions being spent on a war in their name but only to the benefit of the elite few. When you put that alongside what you said your criticism doesnt hold weight at all. As for Chavez encouraging free speech he has said it many times before, the private channels continually and aggressively attack him also there are no restraints put on them. As for the election being stolen it is no great secret that those electronic voting machines can be hacked into quite easily, it is no great revelation that thousands of democrat voters were banned from voting. I could go on about that particular subject but you should watch many of the documentaries that have been done about it. Greg Palast did an excellent one about 2 years I think.
He made a fool out of himself at the U.N? some of these within the Bush administration are evil, they are sick and twisted fucks, one example being neocons urging nuclear strikes on Iran. Nah he didnt make a fool out of himself he said what a lot of people come to realise. These are the idealogies of evil people. John Yoo Alberto Gonzalez, secret torture facilities, kidnapping of people, secret trials, phosphorous weapons being used on a civilian population. He was absolutely right in his assertion that Bush is the devil, he hasnt got brains but obviously he agrees with this idealogy, although clearly Cheney is the main cog in the leadership.
big mat:
--- Quote from: Ant on September 28, 2006, 05:54:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on September 27, 2006, 04:27:13 PM ---Venezeula would be a real eye opener, a president who has non scripted telephone phone ins, regularly meets and addresses people without his men searching everyone for guns first. A man who is transforming the country with tremendous courage and integrity. Aside from that, Japan would be an interesting place to live I feel. I should add to that Turkey also
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Venezuela is a nice country, but your perceptions of Chaves are off the mark. I was there once. The only thing venezuela has going for it are drop dead goregous women that are desperate for any man. They have no money, no jobs available to them, and president that is sendng them back in time.
When I was in venezuela, Chavez was not well liked. In fact, Chavez uses Bush, like Bush uses 9/11. He uses it to manipulate the voters.
What good does Chaves do his country by bitching about Bush? None. But it resonates politically with the more ignorant in the country. This was the views expressed to me by many venezuelans, and by foreign policy magazine.
Chavez targets the largest demographic in Venezuela. The poor. But in doing so, he's only working to hold political power. He wants to become president for life. He's loved by the poor, so of course he can parade around like a hero. But what good things has he really done?
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what you are saying is contrasting with a documentary i saw about the country 1 year ago i which they were saying that the people in venezuela never had so much money in they pockets (thanks to the petro dollars). Sure they are still poor compared to american obese people but it's getting better there
Real American:
Hey Virtuoso, about your beloved Hugo Chavez and his love for the consitituion of his country. Check out the following news article.....Chavez has announced that he wants to change their constitution to end term limits on the presidency and allow him to run more than Venezuelan law allows. This is the man you are glorifying for his love of democracy?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194557,00.html
Chavez Proposes Referendum to Stay President Until 2031
Sunday, May 07, 2006
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said that if opposition parties boycott December's presidential election he would call a referendum asking voters to decide whether he should govern Venezuela for the next 25 years.
Speaking Saturday at a stadium packed with supporters in central Lara state, Chavez rejected allegations he was a power-hungry tyrant but said he might seek to extend his rule beyond current term limits if the opposition pulls out of the presidential vote, as it did last year's congressional election.
"I am going to call a referendum," Chavez said. "I am going to ask you, all the people, if you agree with Chavez being president until 2031."
The Venezuelan Constitution allows a president to be re-elected only once in immediate succession. Chavez is eligible for re-election to another six-year term in December, but if he wins he wouldn't be able to run again in 2012.
It wasn't clear if Chavez, 51, was talking about holding a legally binding vote to eliminate limits on re-election or proposing a plebiscite. Before Chavez took the stage, thousands of his supporters chanted: "Oh, no! Chavez won't go!"
Opposition leaders accuse Chavez, a former paratroop commander first elected in 1998, of becoming increasingly authoritarian and opening dangerous divisions along class lines in Venezuela — the world's fifth largest oil exporter.
Chavez supporters won all 167 seats in the National Assembly on Dec. 4 after major opposition parties boycotted the election, saying they did not trust Venezuela's electoral system or the country's elections council. The opposition has raised doubts about the nation's electoral registry, an electronic voting system and electoral audits conducted by the council.
Chavez on Saturday slammed political foes for suggesting that the elections council, which was appointed recently by pro-government lawmakers, is biased in his favor.
"They already started saying the recently appointed elections council is subordinate to Chavez, that fraud is being prepared," he said.
Polls indicate Chavez is likely to win the Dec. 3 election, and international observers have signed off on recent votes as fair.
Four government opponents have announced plans to run against Chavez, although not all of them have agreed to participate in primaries to choose a single opposition candidate.
The opposition candidates include Teodoro Petkoff, a newspaper editor fiercely critical of Chavez; William Ojeda, a journalist and former Chavez ally; Julio Borges, a conservative attorney; and Roberto Smith, an ex-infrastructure minister.
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